MUTTONS of Bathurst

[lemming23]

I am a distant relative of the Muttons/Webbs of Mutton Falls living in England and have seen online that this book is available in NSW libraries:
Out of Cornwall : the story of Richard and Mary Mutton / Vera Joan Lynch & Kenneth Roughley pub 2000
It doesn't seem readily available to buy but has anyone read this and if so, is it the story of Richard Mutton who arrived in Mutton Falls 1827 with his wife, Mary nee Short, son of William and Grace Burnard of Stoke Climsland, Cornwall? If not, does it give a good indication of life in this area in the nineteenth century?
Hoping someone can help,
Lemming

[judb]

This book is available at the Australian National Library.  I can have a look but won't be there till late in the week.  The subject/s listed for the book are: Mutton family.  |  Bernard family.  |  New South Wales - Genealogy.  |  Cornwall (England) - Genealogy.

The catalogue says it is available from
(*)  However it was published 2002 so perhaps she is not the contact any more.

There is a strong Family History group at Cowra who may be worth contacting -- I'm not sure where Mutton Falls is but the author of the book is in Cowra so................

http://www.heritageaustralia.com.au/links.php?browse=c&id=654#id

Judith

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[majm]

Hi there,

The Bathurst Family History Group has lots of good info too ...

MUTTON is a surname listed 57 times in their Pioneer Register and there's also a download document about 1830's Bathurst area...

http://bathurstfhg.asn.au/index.shtml

Also two chaps with surname MUTTON listed on that site under Landholders
MUTTON R. E. ROOKWOOK GEORGE'S PLAINS (Could this be your Richard ?)
MUTTON THOMAS C.S. RAYALS OBERON

Do you think your Mr Mutton may have arrived in Australia per "Elizabeth" 7 April 1827 ... I have forebears on that voyage from Cornwall ... 

Cheers,  JM

[lemming23]

Many thanks to both of you for your response and for the new leads you suggest. Yes please Judith - it's very kind of you to offer to have a look at the book on my behalf. Richard and Ann's mother was a Burnard which makes me think it could be about this family but I didn't realise that the name was so common.  I'd be very grateful!
I discovered this branch of the family when I  found this newspaper article, which I found fascinating:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TS19091125.2.58.4&l=mi&e=-------10--1----2-all
Ann seems to have been quite a character! I'd like to read more about her! Her husband was a William Webb.
I don't think Mutton Falls exists now except there's a guest house there. It's about 23 miles from Oberon I think/Tarana. The name might be a corruption of Mutton Ford as there used to be a ford here crossing the Fish River.
I don't think either of the Muttons you mention is "my" Mutton but I think the family aboard the Elizabeth might well be, JM. The names of the children fits, the timing, the port of departure - everything except for the inclusion of a Margaret Mutton and the exclusion of a Mary! Nevertheless I think this must be the same family. Have any stories of the journey been passed down to  you? If so I'd love to hear them,
Lemming

[majm]

Hi there,

Do you think your "Mary" may have been "Margt".  Also there were at least two people named Richard MUTTON in NSW in 1828 ... one came on the Mangles in 1823, the other on the Elizabeth in 1827 (many Wesleyans on the 1827 voyage) ...  

I had understood that Richard E MUTTON of Rookwook, George's Plains arrived in 1827 as a baby (born Cornwall 1826) and that he was the son of Richard and Margaret, and that his date of death was around April 1896.  I was given that information and reference numbers etc and I recall looking him up at the NSW State Records Office ...
The person giving me that information had thought he was among the youngest on that vessel.  However, I "knew" that a baby had been born on that voyage, and so together the other researcher and myself have established that Richard E Mutton was the youngest male passenger, as the baby born onboard was female.   

One of the Webb family of Mutton Falls : http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a41/
Online link to historic newspapers for Australia  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

Cheers,  JM
 

[lemming23]

Hi JM,
It's a bit of a puzzle! The census for 1828 definitely says Margaret but everything else says Mary Short eg if you look here on p103, p93, http://www.oberonaustralia.com.au/OberonHist.pdf
Richard senior appeared to move to Wattle Grove. Is this anywhere near George's Plains?
Richard did, however, have a son Richard Edward born 1829? (which doesn't fit) who married a Margaret Murphy and also a son Thomas who might well have been a baby on the Elizabeth so this might explain the confusion - 2 Richard Muttons one marrying a Margaret and one a Mary - but it doesn't explain the census information!
There might well be a connection with Wesleyan Methodism. My g g grandmother was Mary Mutton, a cousin of Richard and Ann. She had her children christened by the Bible Christians who later merged I think with the Methodists and I know that my more recent family were Wesleyan so that part fits very well!
Thank you very much for the links. The William from the story! (although I couldn't quite understand why he didn't just open the store and sell the tobacco!) I shall enjoy browsing both sites,
Lemming

[judb]

This book has 300pages and is a most comprehensive account of the family with genealogical information from Thomas and Mary BURNARD resident in Alternon in the early 1600s through to some family members born in the mid-late 20th century.

Richard and Mary (nee SHORT) MUTTON who are the focus of the book left Plymouth on the Elizabeth, November 1826 -Richard 29, Mary 26 and William 4.  Richard's maternal line were BURNARDs.

I would urge you to try and get hold of the book if possible although I realise it is ten years old now. It is not possible to do justice to the material it contains but if you have any specific queries  I would be happy to have another look.  The publisher is listed in the NLA catalogue. The Printer was Central Commercial Printers Pty Ltd Bathurst.

Judith

[Cazay]

There has been some information written about Richard and Mary Mutton's lives and their arrival on the Elizabeth which may help you.


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

The tree is named our_families, the owner may even have a copy of the book that you are interested in.

Cazay

[Miss May]

Hi there
I'm happy to check out the local history offerings at Bathurst library for you. Unfortunately I won't be in town again until next Thursday

Cheers
MM