An unusual story .... can someone please help

[Arranroots]

There is a naturalisation record on the National Archives site - but it is closed for 100 years, so 16 to go!!  Probably not yours as he is Polish and has a daughter.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5111823&CATLN=6&accessmethod=5

When did he travel to SA?  You say shortly after the death, so that would narrow down the dates a lot!

[heywood]

There is a naturalisation record on the National Archives site - but it is closed for 100 years, so 16 to go!!  Probably not yours as he is Polish and has a daughter.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5111823&CATLN=6&accessmethod=5

When did he travel to SA?  You say shortly after the death, so that would narrow down the dates a lot!

Is that the one from 1926 - it also seems to mention a child which wouldn't be the case if he was born 1914 

[Arranroots]

Yes - as I say, not likely to be the right one if the birth date is correct, but given that the OP seems to have so few details I thought I would mention it.  Also the fact that seems to be the only one!

 

[heywood]

Yes  - there was one in Glasgow but that was 1913 

Shazzafitz
Is this a family story? As has been said- when did he arrive in SA - that may help but it is looking very difficult. Had he changed his name then that is even more difficult.
What was his occupation on his passport?
I can't think now .. but did passports indicate which office they were issued at- in terms of regions of UK?

[shazzafitz]

I dont know when he arrived in south africa but he married my mother Lilly Segill in 1950 in Johanneburg. He was noted as a widower when he married my mother in 1950.

That is all the information I have as I only found out a few months back that he died 29 years ago. I so desperately want to find out who he was and where he came from.

best wishes 

[Rafter]

A search of passenger lists to South Africa (Find my past)  brings up the following male passengers:

SHAPERA I. born 1905 departs Southampton to Cape 1929
SHAPIRO (no initial) born 1894 departs Southampton to Cape 1929

Rafter

[Arranroots]

This is where your post on the SA board should come in handy - we need help from some experts on things like the contents of death certs in SA and naturalisation records - maybe he told more on the latter?  Also the shipping records - to see whether he travelled alone.  Also his occupation might help pin him down in the UK.

I have added a link to this thread on the South Africa thread.

 

p.s. red message - Rafter just posted some likely shipping records!

(incidentally - why did you give 1929 as the earliest date for the marriage?)

[heywood]

I dont know when he arrived in south africa but he married my mother Lilly Segill in 1950 in Johanneburg. He was noted as a widower when he married my mother in 1950.
That is all the information I have as I only found out a few months back that he died 29 years ago. I so desperately want to find out who he was and where he came from.
best wishes 

I'm sorry it's all questions.
If this is all the info you have where does the story come from re the bride's death -- as that is what is guiding our searches.
Could his first marriage have been  first in SA?

[shazzafitz]

Hello Arronroots Isaac Shapiro was my father and before he died he told me the story of his Uk bride. On my mothers death certificate it states he was a widower when he married her. I only found out  a few months back that my father died in 1981 all alone in Australia. I didnt know him all that well and am trying to find out who he was and as much as I can about his life. His first marriage was definitely in the UK. I remember as a child he travelled on a British Passport so he must have been a british citizen. Is there a way to get information about his citizenship in the Uk and passport. info.