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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 21:14 BST (UK) »
Are you researching this Storrie family

I am researching my own Storry family. Mt great-great-great-grandmother was Margaret Storey who married John Wilkie, and I have her line back to my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather Andrew Storrie who died in 1642.

While I'm about it I make notes of anyone else I come across in case they too fit in. Your particular furthest-back ancestor was John Storie whose wife was Jean or Jane Black, but there are no records of this couple - I only know they existed because I have seen death certificates of two children, your John who died in 1877 and his sister Christina who died in 1875.

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is there a website?

I don't know of one other than the Shotts History Group one mentioned above, but it doesn't list your John S and Jean Black.
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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 21:25 BST (UK) »
There are a few records of John Storrie & Jane Black in the Shotts OPR, being given poor relief.  I'm afraid I don't have my notes on this computer to tell more, but they definietly exist on more than just their three childrens death certs - you are missing thier daughter Janet

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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 22:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks. As I said, I don't go actively looking for them because as far as I know they are not 'mine', but I do make a note when I come across them, so I'll add that.
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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 23:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much!

Wow!  So, Mary Britten married both James Kennedy (Sr.) and John Storrie?  I didn't find a marriage record for Mary & James Kennedy, do you have that date/location?

Also, why would Elisabeth Snedden be listed on the census with her maiden name?  Is that how it's done in Scotland, and she didn't take her husband's name?  Or do records require that the maiden name be listed?  Sorry for all the dumb questions, this is my first attempt into Scottish research, and just don't know all the "rules" yet.

His death certificate shows that James Kennedy was born in New Caron/Carre(?) Barr, Scotland, in 1842, but I have not been able to find such a place.  Do you know where this might be?

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Not confusion in this case, John Storrie married Mary Britten in 1855 after the death of Betsy Sneddon, and their respective children Euphemia Storrie & James Kennedy also married.


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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 12 July 12 11:04 BST (UK) »
Also, why would Elisabeth Snedden be listed on the census with her maiden name?  Is that how it's done in Scotland, and she didn't take her husband's name?  Or do records require that the maiden name be listed?

It's quite common. In Scotland, a married woman did not change her name legally on marriage. This is why you mostly get the mother's full name in the baptismal records, and why married women's death certificates are indexed under both their maiden amd their married names. 'Mrs' was an abbreviation of 'Mistress' and carried no indication of the woman's marital status, though it often indicated a degree of respect in the social pecking order.

Thus in the song 'The Laird o' Cockpen', which tells the story of the Laird's attempt to woo his neighbour's daughter Jean MacLeish, there is the line, 'Gae tell Mistress Jean tae come speedily ben, she's wanted to speak wi' the Laird o' Cockpen!'

You also get baptism records like this, from the parish of Rothes, '1748, September 11th. William lawful son to Alexander Leslie of Balnageith in Burncrooks and Mrs Anne Duff his spouse was baptized.'

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Sorry for all the dumb questions, this is my first attempt into Scottish research, and just don't know all the "rules" yet.

I've read some where that the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked  ;)

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His death certificate shows that James Kennedy was born in New Caron/Carre(?) Barr, Scotland, in 1842, but I have not been able to find such a place.  Do you know where this might be?

FreeCEN http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl lists in the 1851 census at 17 Reid Street, Bridgeton, Barony Parish (i.e. in the city of Glasgow) the family of Peter Britten, 78, born Ireland, including his wife Agnes Duffy, 67, widowed daughter Mary Kennedy, 34, born Sanquhar, Dumfries, and four Kennedy children, all born in Bothwell; James, the eldest, is 9, so born 1841/2.

In the Roman Catholic baptisms on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the index lists the baptism of James, son of James Kennedy and Mary Bretain, in St Margaret's, Airdrie on 2 January 1842. There is also a marriage record of James Kennedy and Mary Br*t*n. I didn't go beyond the index.

The 1841 census on FreeCEN lists at Carnbroe Iron Works James Kennedy, 26, born Ireland and Mary Kennedy, 19, born Ireland.

So in spite of the discrepancy in the birthplace of 19-year-old Mary in 1841, I think it likely that your James Kennedy was born at Carnbroe Iron Works in the parish of Bothwell, Lanarkshire, to parents of Irish origin.

You'll want to have a look for yourself at the above sources, and to look at the original documents on the Scotland's People web site - it's pay-per-view, but modestly priced compared with many parts of the world.

I imagine this will help?

PS They would not recognise Carnbroe now http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS7463. The iron works were built in 1838, just in time to attract your family to come over in search of work. There's quite a bit of information online about Carnbroe Iron Works.
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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #50 on: Friday 13 July 12 00:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you JSHC and Fortarian for all the wonderful information and links!  This forum is great, I've added a couple of generations to my tree!

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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #51 on: Monday 29 July 13 08:55 BST (UK) »
Forfarian -- my wife's mother is a Storry from Scotland -- the Storry's at Stoneheap Farm are her cousins. (Her lineage is John, James Thornton, John, John, John, John,William, Andrew.) It's quite remarkable learning that her great-great-grandfather had a second family (the Stewarts).

One thing we noted -- the family name is Glaud with a "G", not Claud.

Did I read correctly that you found a deeper ancestor than Andrew Storry (c. 1670) of Wester Bracco?

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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #52 on: Monday 29 July 13 10:30 BST (UK) »
Forfarian -- my wife's mother is a Storry from Scotland -- the Storry's at Stoneheap Farm are her cousins. (Her lineage is John, James Thornton, John, John, John, John,William, Andrew.) It's quite remarkable learning that her great-great-grandfather had a second family (the Stewarts).
Yes, it came as quite a shock to me as well.

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One thing we noted -- the family name is Glaud with a "G", not Claud.
Yes, many of them sometimes spell it with a G, but they are not consistent, and sometimes the same individual turns up with different spellings in different records. Sometimes it appears as 'Gland' or 'Cland' as well! I standardise the spelling as Claud in my main database, but I always record the original spelling in the notes.

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Did I read correctly that you found a deeper ancestor than Andrew Storry (c. 1670) of Wester Bracco?
Yes. My attention was drawn to a transcription of a sasine which records Andrew Storry of Wester Braco as son of John, grandson of Andrew and great-grandson of Andrew who died in 1642. I have not seen the original of this document.

Once you have made one more post I will be able to send you a Personal Message so that we can exchange details of more recent branches of the family. It looks as if your wife and I are 6th cousins twice removed!
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Re: STORRIE
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 08 July 15 16:07 BST (UK) »
Forfarian - if you're still around I'm back! The new FamilySearch online free tree-mapping tool is helpful. It's too bad I no longer have the free access to the ScotslandPeople records - there's a good bit of work I copied down but didn't save the source documents.