Hayes of Carrigatoher Tipperary

[Bernie 46]

Hello Gerry,

Thank you so much for your prompt reply.  I doubled checked the info I have and it appears unfortunately we are not related. 

My Matthew Hayes married Hanora Carmody.   I have just come back from a visit to Tipperary.  I met with the Priest who covers the Carrigatoher area.  The Priest found Matthew's parents to be John Hayes & Bridget Quigley and their 8 children.  Their names -:
Thomas - 1829
Matthew - 1831
Hanora - 1833
Michael - 1835
Bridget - 1837
Catherine - 1839
Judith - 1841
Margaret - 1844

I have now found Matthew's wife Hanora who was shown as a widow and three of their children on the 1901 census living in Carrigatoher Tipperary.   

I also found out while I was in Tipperary, within this area there were 2 families with the name of Hayes, that were unrelated. 

It does seem to be very difficult to trace Irish ancestors.  Thank you again for your prompt reply.  Good Luck with your search.

Regards Bernie 46

[Aussie1947]

Hi Bernie,

Wow, how lucky to be able to catch up with the Priest and yes John & Bridget's children are from my family with Catherine being my GGGM. I have information that there could have been a Mary in 1825 and Edward in 1827 as well but not confirmed as yet.

Thanks also for the info that there were two Hayes families and not related, if I find anything on Matthew Hayes & Honora Carmody I send you the deatails.

Good luck also.

Gerry

[Shibro]

Hi Bernie,
I have just read your messages re the Hayes family of Carrigatoher and have to advise you that Matthew Hayes and Honora Carmody are my great grandparents although my list of their children differs to those given  you by the priest. My records show Matthew as having been born 1839.  Another child named Matthew was born 1837, but must have died. The father, Matthew. died in Carrigatoher 1864. My grandfather was also Matthew, born 1867.   He arrived in Melbourne in 1889.
His sister, Mary, also came to Melbourne.    There were other relatives here  living in  the Bendigo area, where there were also gold diggings   I'm wondering if they could have been some of Gerry's family.   Also I  have Honora Carmody as having died in 1887 but may be this is another Honora.    Regards    Shibro

[Jan007]

Bernie,

My great great grandfather was Thomas Hayes (born 1829, son of John Hayes and Bridget Quigley who were married Feb. 1825).  He had siblings Matthew (1831) and all of the other that you list (dates and names match).  I am very excited to find another member of this family.  Thomas married Catherine Hogan in 1859 in Burgess, Co. Tipperary.  They had 10 children in Ireland between 1861 and 1879 and all of them including Thomas and Catherine came to Chicago about 1888.  I am very interested in learning more about Matthew's family. 

There was a story about some family in Australia, but I am not yet certain of the connections that have been suggested.  I would like a paper trail.  I plan to continue to look into it.  Some information contained in these other posts was copied by others from my submissions on Ancestry, but I have no paper  proof that connects some of these families to mine.

I had  my research done in Tipperary years ago and am very confident in the accuracy of the findings.  Yours match mine so I am certain we are connected. I have Thomas's family very well documented.

I would  very much like to share more information with you and look forward to hearing from you.

[Jan007]

I am still interested in making contact with anyone related to the Hayes (or Hogan) family from Youghalarra parish in Tipperary, especially the civil parish of Burgesbeg or in Carrickatogher.  Although many of the posts here are promising, I am still seeking someone that has the documents to prove a relationship.  I have baptism records from my branch as well as some marriage records from the parish.  My ancestor is John Hayes married to Bridget Quigley who had Thomas Hayes married to Catherine Hogan.  I am especially looking for information on Thomas's siblings.  Thomas immigrated to the US about 1888 with his wife and all of his children.  But not his siblings as far as I can tell.  The Australian posts offer some hope, however there are a few discrepancies that make me question a relationship.  Since civil records didn't exist in this early period, has anyone else requested parish records that can verify your relationship to John Hayes/Bridget Quigley? I am particularly interested in exchanging information with Bernie as his list of family members from the priest matches mine from the parish records.

[Shibro]

Dear Jan007 Re your family connection, Australian Death Index shows:  Edward Hayes, son of John Hayes and Bridget Quigley, died at Fitzroy,. Melbourne. 1902.  Victorian registration no. 1590. Address Fitzroy could be St. Vincent's Hospital.
There is also a death recorded for Margaret Hayes, daughter of John & Bridget Hayes, 1907 at Kyabram, Victoria.  Reg. no. 8883.
Hope this is some help.
shibro

[Jan007]

Unfortunately my Hayes family did not have an  Edward as a son of John Hayes/Bridget Quigley.  I am certain I have the baptism records of all of the children from my Hayes family group, and Edward is not one of them.  It is disappointing that I can't seem to find any records of the siblings of my Thomas Hayes.  The closest I have come is a previous post in this string from a man who had visited the parish in Ireland and confirmed that his Matthew Hayes was brother of my Thomas and son of my John Hayes/Bridget Quigley.   For all I know the other siblings may not have even survived into adulthood.  According to records I have seen there were only 6 Hayes families living in that area in 1851.  It was one of the least common names in that very particular area at that time.  You would think that would make them easier to track, but it doesn't.  I will continue to look for connections.

[Shibro]

Dear Jan007, I'm sorry my information was no help..
I also read the comments of the chap who visited with the PP of Carrigatoher and was surprised to read the information given to him.  It appears we share the same ancestors - Matthew Hayes/Honora Carmody.  The Research Centre at Nenagh gave me the names of Matthew's parents  as Matthew Hayes and Ellen Berkery, whereas the priest advised him Matthew's parents were John H  and Bridget Quigley if I remember correctly.I contacted the PP for clarification and did not receive a reply.
I recall "cousins" visiting our house who came from the Bendigo area.  I have found them on a tree in Ancestry and the father was named John Hayes but his parents were Matthew Hayes and Mary Hogan.I have yet to find out how they were connected to my grandfather. I have a copy of my grandfather's Marriage Certificate which states his parents as Matthew H and Honora Carmody.
Good luck      shibro

[Jan007]

Thank you for indicating your sources.  I received my information for the Nenegh center also.  I generally trust them, however I did have less success with "facts" from the center in Limerick.  They made an error which connected my Ahern family with a family in Australia.  After a bit of correspondence between those descendents and me we both concluded that there was an error.  It is possible that there is also an error in the Nenagh research.  Is there any other source for the parish records aside from contacting the parish directly?  I wonder if the Nenagh center would re-visit their work to check for an error, although mine was done 20 years ago.  I may try to contact them regarding the family to see what their fee would be to do a bit more work.

 Did you receive any baptism records from the center?  If so, would you list the names of the godparents/sponsors in a reply?  The surnames for sponsors  of my Thomas and his siblings were Grady, Quigley, Lacy, Brian, Hayes, McGrath, Farrell, Kenna, and Hogan. Thomas's brother Matthew was sponsored by John Lacy and Mary Brian.   

The surnames for the sponsors of the children of my Thomas were Hogan, Hayes, Flynn, Quinn, Quigley, Dwyer, McDonnell, Ryan.  I also have Hogan ancestors from that exact area (Thomas's wife was Catherine Hogan).  The surnames of people that were sponsors for Hogan children were Hogan, Hanly, Ryan, Ready, Whelan, Flynn,Walsh, Rowhan,Moran.  Do any of these names match what you received?