HUGH in Penzance/Madron - 1800s

[Wiggy]

The John HUGH who married Jane JAMES - he was born in 1767 in Cornwall and his father was - - John!!  He married Ursula - but I don't have her surname.

However I'll ask for:
 
1. John and Jane JAMES marriage record - with any luck it might have Ursula's maiden name on it - you never know your luck in the big wide world.

2  Edward BLEE  and Jemimah RIPPER

3. Edward Bl(r)ee and Mary EADE marriage records -

4. Elizabeth  HUGH death record

5. John HUGH death record

6. John HUGH 3rd's baptism.

I already have Elizabeth and John's marriage, and Elizabeth HUGH's birth - it doesn't give too much info so won't go for Mary Jane or William.

Hope Ive got everything covered - may as well get as many as possible with the same freight/handling charge for 10 items

Wiggy          

[krisesjoint]

Hi Wiggy,

Ursula' name will not be on John and Jane's marriage record. Even if she was a witness her name will be HUGH.

The marriage forms arrive in 1754 so there is not likely anything further in this entry.

John HUGH of Sancreed = Ursula HUMPHREY 29 Sep 1749 Sennen

same witth Edward BREE and Jemimah RIPPER 25 Dec 1740

Cheers Kris 

[Wiggy]

You're brilliant that's what!    Thanks Kris!   

Are you saying don't bother with those two marriage records then??   Nothing new to learn from them - I am happy to save a bit if that is the case!!

Cheers indeed!!

Wiggy   

[krisesjoint]

Hi Wiggy,

The main thing we hope for with marriage records is that the witness names may help us, and the joy in seeing a forebears signature if they could write. With those early records it is just an entry in the register. You may still like printouts for your own records but if hoping you will get a little extra you need those entries using the forms, Those are -  marriages after 1754, baptisms and burials after 1813. Baptisms you get fathers occupation and you may get an address, burials you may get an address, a wife or child may be listed as wife/son/daughter of ..... Occasionally cause of death is listed. (There may be nothing more than you already have) The information is very limited but until you see the entry you just don't know, what may be in it. In saying that even before the forms there may just be something extra in that one line across the page. (I have seen them)

 The other option is to order the parish records in to your local LDS family history library. They will get the fiche in keep it about a month to allow plenty of time for you to view the records. This is very good when hunting one parish, the fees involved are modest but you have a few parishes here so probably not viable.

Cheers Kris 

[Wiggy]

Thanks for the extra info Kris.  I didn't realize the local LDS library would order the record copies.  that is interesting - must keep that in mind!  I have never visited them - have been put off a bit by finding some very odd records which just don't add up - on the other hand they are a very good starting point very often.

Wiggy   

[rigmac]

hello Wiggy Hobbes    You have some records that match mine.   I googled names from my family tree and your data came up.  You are following a John Hugh and daughters who came to Australia.   I am following back my William Hughes, of London, born Penzance Cornwall, as was his son Robert.  I know this from the family story, so have been trying to locate them.  I also know that there was a Rhoda in the family, again the family story.
William married to Rhoda Watson, a widow in 1859.  In 1861 Census in London he is William Hughes, has a son Robert Hughes with him, and she has some (of her?) children under the name Watson and Madison. The 1851 Census for the only William Hugh born in Penzance is for one married to a Mary Bryant Hugh with children John, William, Elizabeth, and Robert Gendell Hugh, all born Penzance.  This must be my Robert Hughes, I do not have him with this middle name anywhere else to confirm it is him. I can only go on the birth place and he is the only one for that.  I see on your posts you have linked these two families together despite the difference in spelling of the surname.  I had come to this conclusion also.  I hope it is correct. I have also used the occupations from Census and bdm as lath render, joiner and carpenter to say that William Hugh/Hughes is the same person. I am please (excited) to see you have generations further back. 
 

[Wiggy]

Hi Rigmac, and Welcome to Rootschat

- just the best site for finding things with lots of helpful people around to assist.   I hope you have lots of success with your hunting.

It is so long since I've been working on this family I had to go back and look again.  Don't think I have travelled further down the William Hugh road though - He was a side issue to my primary interests who are the sisters who migrated.           I've found out lots of interesting information about them - but all here in Australia!    I did find that William married again after Amelia's death - to Rhoda - I didn't find any children for that marriage though.  That's when I returned to my main road!

Have you found that the ancestors for William are correct - there is some dissension amongst others of my extended related family about just which of several Elizabeth Blees is the contender - there are several!   I am fairly happy with what is showing on this thread,  but . . . . just letting you know there are others in contention - Germoe and Breage are quite close to Madron and Penzance - that's where others come from.

Wiggy

[rigmac]

Dear Wiggy  Nice to hear from you. I did realize it was a couple of years back, and see all the families you are researching, so knew you had moved on. I too did many others trees before finally getting back to my own. Thanks for your info on your old posts anyway.  Thing is to research it further to see if it is the correct connection. 
I think it is John Hugh who married Amelia.  William married first Mary Bryant Newton.  In 1851 Census they have 5 children all under 10 and born in Penzance.  By  1861 Census there is only father William and son Robert - new wife Rhoda , no Mary wife or other four children.  What happened to them?  Did they all die?  Illness?  I read some old newspapers online from that era and see there are a lot of house fires, maybe there was a catastrophe for this family, leaving only the father and son. My line is actually down through William and son Robert from the first marriage.  Death certs of Mary Bryant and those children may provde some clues. 
 I will apply for some more old certs, but it is difficult because of the name change to Hughes, of which there are so many Williams, and some Rhoda's as well.      I was interested to see you are in Australia as am I. 

[Wiggy]

correct John married Amelia - second wife.   Sorry for my confused answer!   

How far back did Robert or whoever venture to this fair land - I wonder if he was following his Aunts??  Nice to know someone when travelling this far, probably.  I admire the spirit of those who left all knowing they'd not get back in all likelihood.     I'm pretty sure Mary Jane and Elizabeth were on a 'bride ship'!

As you see by Kris's replies, sometimes those way back records don't give away much information.

Raining in your part of Aus??     Coming down steadily but gently here - Please, no faster - this is nice and has time to soak in.

Wiggy