HUGH in Penzance/Madron - 1800s

[Wiggy]

Hello,

Please may I beg some more help?

I am looking for a little more information about the Hugh family in Cornwall. When I type in Hugh there aren't many hits - Hughes has many many -  I have the name as Hugh, but have searched under Hughes as well.  Have been trying the Cornish OPCs  - to no avail so far.

John Hugh b 1796 - Penzance/Madron I think.  d Oct 1865
m  21 Feb 1821 Madron
Elizabeth Blee  1794 Cornwall  (Parents were given to me as Edward Blee b 1750 and Mary Eade  . . . .)

I have found John with three children Mary Jane, William and Elizabeth in 1841 in Penzance.  No Elizabeth so I guess she'd died by then -

 I can't find Elizabeth's death though - been looking but . . . Please would someone look for me in the OPR or OPC or wherever.

In 1851 John appears with Amelia and another child from this marriage I presume - John.  Amelia is about 15 years younger than John.  Their son John is 3 in 1851  - I don't know if there'd been any other children born and died before then.

Please may I have some help with their marriage- can't find that yet either - still looking!

I have found son, William, in 1851 and his wife Mary Bryant and several children - William is a lath maker/worker.   
I haven't yet found his marriage - but it must have been soon after 1841 - or in 1841 - if they were being good and waiting for marriage to have children!     First child born about 1842/3  named  - John of course!!

John and Elizabeth's two daughters emigrated in 1849 - so not looking for them - I know what they were doing!       they left on the ship 'Hope' in February 1849 and arrived in Victoria in July that year - they were married within months of arrival - apparently they were housemaids - per ships list.

thanks in hope!!


Wiggy     

[krisesjoint]

Hi Wiggy,

Elizabeth HUGH was buried Penzance 14 Oct 1835. She was aged 37 of Penzance.

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

John HUGH was baptised 31 Jan 1796 Madron father John

John HUGH = Jane JAMES 22 Dec 1792 Penzance

Elizabth BLEE was baptised 25 May 1794 Germoe parents Edward and Mary

Edward BREE = Mary EADE 11 Mar 1781 Breage

Cheers Kris 

[Wiggy]

Hi Kris,

 - you've come to the rescue once again!!  thanks for that information - I am wondering about the Elizabeth Hugh death though
If she was born 1794 - that would make her 41 in 1835 - reckon someone just didn't know how old she was - or is it a different E Hugh??

Please  - do you have the reference numbers for that entry - I will try for the certificate/record  - John was still alive so you'd think he'd have known her age!!   

Would you happen to know which particular authority I should phone/email for the certificate - (I'm getting all enthusiastic about phoning UK now that I have my 490 remaining cheap minutes!!!   )

Thanks Kris!

Wiggy       

[krisesjoint]

Hi Wiggy,

These records are pre civil registration so there are no certificates to order. You could order copies of the entries from the parsih recgisters. The burial may or may not list wife of or a residence. It would pay to order the baptisms as well (The residence may be the same as listed at the baptisms) May also compare with 1841 address

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14713

William 3 Jun 1821 Penzance
Mary Jane 23 Mar 1823 Penzance
Elizabeth 3 Oct 1828 Penzance

and John 5 Nov 1848 St Marys Penzance To John and Amelia

Cheers Kris 

[Wiggy]

Thanks Kris,

Was the beginning of civil registration 1837??

I have a record for Elizabeth Hugh, birth, 1828, but it might have been filled in by a clerk from the Penzance records office I think - onto a modern form.  Does that sound right.  It gives the parents' names and father's occupation - not mother's maiden name.  Death might be the same - i have a death cert. from 1877 but that is just a one line entry which may also have been written by a transcriber

Yes, those two baptisms are two of her three children - and Elizabeth was the third in 1828.

thanks for the link - I went to the Cornwall names link yesterday but had no joy at all - think I was doing something wrong!

Wiggy   

[krisesjoint]

Looks like John HUGH possibly = Amelia MATHEWS Dec 1/4 1846 Penzance 9 303

William HUGH = Mary Bryant NEWTON Dec 1/4 1841 Penzance 9 248

I found Elizabeth too and added it. Sorry to confuse. Yes civil registration began in July 1837

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

The baptism forms came out in 1813. Prior to that baptsims were just one line across the page. Does it have a residence listed? Baptism records do not generally provide a maiden name (although some non conformist records will) The burial record will be a form similar to the one you have. It may say wife of - it may not. It may have an address - it may not. It will not provide a maiden name. Even UK death certs do not provide this information.

Cheers Kris 

[Wiggy]

More gratitude coming your way Kris - where do you get all this info - why can't I find it???  (and don't say because I'm thick!!)  
An address was given in 1852 on death cert.  - but different family - just using it as an example.   also, age, wife of, cause of death, informant - but it was quite a while later when they'd got their acts together!!

Wiggy