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Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« on: Thursday 14 October 10 13:32 BST (UK) »
Can someone please look up for me any information about Thomas Shaw who was born in 1805/6 in Iver?   He might possibly have been christened in Newport Pagnell but I am not sure if this is the same person.   I would like to know if he had any siblings and also who his parents were.  He turns up in Manchester as an adult so to find the occupation of his father  would be a bonus.   Family gossip suggests they were gypsys/travellers from Ireland but I would love to confirm this.   
Many thanks for any kind help.
Catherine

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Re: Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 October 10 14:06 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am guessing the reference to Manchester is from the 1861 census?  That seems to show him living in St Peter, Manchester, married to Henrietta and living in a rather crowded house.  Having a look for some sort of christening record, but not turned up much yet.

Good luck,

Toby

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Re: Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 October 10 14:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Toby
Yes, that is him married to Henrietta.   I can trace him easily to the end of his life in Manchester but not the early part of his life or who his parents or siblings were.   I'd love to know why he went to Manchester. 
Many thanks.
Catherine

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Re: Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 October 10 22:30 BST (UK) »
I think you can rule out the Newport Pagnell baptism as, in 1851, that Thomas SHAW is living in Blisworth, Northamptonshire.  He is shown as aged 45, a hotel keeper, and born in Newport Pagnell, Bucks.  He has a wife named Mary J. aged 42 born in Northampton and 7 children aged between 2 and 14 years.  The youngest was born in Blisworth but all the rest were born in Northampton.  The household also contains 2 barmaids, 1 governess, 1 nurse and 2 ostlers.

In the same census (1851) your Thomas SHAW is living at 42 Clarendon Street, Hulme, Manchester as follows:

Thos SHAW, Head, Mar, 45, working cutler, born Ivor, Bucks
Henrietta SHAW, Wife, Mar, 49, born Manchester, Lancs
Alice SHAW, Dau, Unm, 18, steam loom worker, born Portsmouth, Hants
Mary Ann SHAW, Dau, 10, scholar, born Manchester, Lancs
Elizth SHAW, Dau, 9, scholar, born Manchester, Lancs
Agnes SHAW, 8, scholar, born Manchester, Lancs
Ellen SHAW, Mother-in-law, Widow, 72, formerly laundress, born Hulme, Lancs

In the 1841 census the family are at 93 Wilmot Street, Hulme:

Joseph Francis LOWE, 55, joiner, not born in the county
Ellen LOWE, 55, born in the county
Thomas SHAW, 35, umbrella maker, Not born in the county
Henrietta SHAW, 35, cotton reeler, born in the county
Theodore SHAW, 10, born in the county
Alice SHAW, 7, not born in the county
Mary Ann SHAW, 9 months, born in the county

Because there is such a large gap between Alice and Mary Ann I thought it possible that Henrietta might be Thomas's second wife and I think the following entry from FreeBMD might be their marriage:

March Qtr 1839 Manchester Reg. Dist. 20 500
Thomas SHAW and Henrietta LOWE

This fits in well with Joseph Francis and Ellen LOWE (with whom Thomas and family are living in 1841) being Henrietta's parents.  I also thought that Theodore might be just Henrietta's child and not a child of the marriage but haven't found any evidence to back that up.  I have, however, found the baptism of Alice at Portsea Roman Catholic Church, Hampshire on 10 June 1833.   The entry is in Latin as follows:

10 Jun 1833  Alicia dau of Thomae SHAW and Annae CLEGG, born 7 June

Thomas SHAW and Ann CLAGG or CLEGG married at St Thomas, Portsmouth on 31 Dec 1827.  They also had another child baptised at Portsea Roman Catholic Church:

13 May 1831  Jacobus son of Thomae SHAW and Annae CLEIGH, born 4 April 1831.

I'm afraid that I can't offer up a baptism for Thomas but I can say that there is a document amongst the papers of Iver parish relating to a Richard SHAW and family dated 1809.  This information comes from an index to Buckinghamshire Poor Law documents but it is not clear what it is.  It could be a settlement certificate, a removal order, a settlement examination etc.  The only way to find out would be to access the original document in the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies in Aylesbury.  However, there is no guarantee that this Richard is in any way connected.

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Re: Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 October 10 12:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Orpheus
Thank you so much for that information.  I am a little confused though.   Thomas's son Theodore was born in 1831 in Manchester, the same year that you have found a birth for Jacob in Portsmouth.   I know for sure that Theodore is Thomas's son because my family carry a unique genetic defect which is recorded in the 1808 British Medical Journal with a family from Iver.  Theodore is my direct ancestor and as I also carry the defective gene then he must have been Thomas's son.  I think it is clear though that Henrietta is not Theodore's mother, something I didn't know!!   I had wondered why Theodore was born in Manchester and then Alice in Portsmouth and then back up to Manchester for his other children.   

There was a lot of genetic research for a TV programme a few years ago and a family with the same defect was found in Hampshire but they didn't want to be involved.   It seems that Thomas left someone behind when he left there!! 
Many thanks again.
Catherine

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Re: Thomas Shaw - Iver - 1805/6
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 14 November 15 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Hello Catherine. I've been reading your Shaw posts with great interest. I am helping someone with his tree, he is descended from Thomas. I am happy to share info and put you two in touch if you wish. He is a grandson of Edward Shaw. Please email me on soozieann@live.com.

Kind regards,

Sue