Owens/Owen

[janaridge]

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help,trying to trace my Welsh roots.
 Evan Samuel Owens born abt 1818 in Bangor Caernarvonshire,
married Lucinda Roberts at the Cathedral church Bangor 1st qrt 1839
Evans address was Orchard Street, his father was Samuel.
1841 and 1851 census they lived at Kyffin Square. Evan was a coach builder.
they had 5 children on the 1851 census. in 1851 4qrt they had my greatgranddad Elias born Kyffin square.
 my puzzle is this;
 Elias's mother was named as Lucy Neal, and all subsequent census names Evan's wife as Lucy, I cannot find a death for Lucinda there is a Lucinda Owen death in Phwelli but she was only a child, nor can I find another marriage for Evan. was Lucinda and Lucy the same person if so where did Neal come in, as Elias was not first born.
also from 1871 census the family came to Buckinghamshire to live with the railway works this is where most of us descendants still live.
apart from ordering all the children's birth certs( it took me 4 attempts to get Elias right)how do I solve this puzzle any clues most appreciated.

[t mo]

hello there
certainly lucy is a shortened version of lucinda , so not to worry about that will check for the other part of your post

trevor

[t mo]

me again
could this be your lucy birth year 1821 reg year 1890 oct-dec qtr dist brixworth  northants vol 3b p 82
trevor

[t mo]

i,m getting confused ,elias birth  on free b m d the nearest to your date is dec 1852 reg newcastle in emlyn 11b 27
also where did you find the birth for elias that gave mothers name as lucy neal or is this on one of the birth certs you got
trevor

[toni*]

what details were given for Lucinda on the marriage certificate ?

[cntrygrl]

Hi janaridge,

Could these be yours?

Death of Owens, Evan Samuel, 85, Mar qtr 1903, Potterspury, vol 3b pg 16 
Death of Owens, Lucy, 56, Mar qtr 1888, Potterspury, vol 3b pg 18   
Her age is a little off  , maybe a 6 has been transcribed as a 5? Evan is a widower in 1891 and 1901 census so the date would fit (the place too).  I guess the only way to be sure is to purchase the document. Evan is still a widower in 1901 at 83yrs – are you sure he remarried?
OH - I just found Elias in 1851 as OWEN, Elias Dec qtr, 1851 Bangor vol 27 p 280   

[janaridge]

Hi and thank you for your help, details I have are taken from certs I have brought.
Its a problem we still have with our name some say Owen some say Owens.

right;marriage cert details: 13/2/1839 Evan Owens, official age, batchelor, coachmaker, Orchard Street, Father Samuel Owens.
Lucinda Roberts, official age, spinster, High Street, father Patrick Roberts Farmer.  witnesses Evan Evans, Charles Fletcher GRO no.  27/362.

Elias Owen; born 22/10/1851 GRO no 27/280 mother Lucy Owen formerly Neal, father Evan Owen, coach maker, Kyffin Square.

12/2/1888, Lucy Owens, wife of Evan,, coach maker, aged 56 years, death Buckingham street, Wolverton station Potterspury district.
Evan Samuel death is also right  he also died in Buckingham street Wolverton 1903 GRO no 3B/16

the 1st child on 1841 census was born in 1840. by 1851 census they had 4 more children all living at Kyffin Square,   
all census say Lucinda/Lucy was born in Ireland.
Im totally confused
jan
 
 

[toni*]

Thinking outside the box why would the registrar write down Lucy Neal because he would have been told this obviously think how Lucy spoke with an Irish accent could Lucinda be mistaken for Lucy Neal?

[JayneyG]

Hello Jan,

We are related!  My great great grandfather was also Elias Owens!
I have had exactly the same quandry as you regarding Lucy Neal/Lucinda Roberts. 
On the 1851 census for Bangor they were living in Kyffin Square.  We visited last year and unfortunately it is now a car park.
Lucy has a sister, Elizabeth, who is also listed on that census, and who later lived with Lucy and Evan in Potterspury.  They both state they were born in Ireland.

My great grandmother was Lucy Owens, who was Elias' daughter, born 24 December 1881 in New Bradwell.  I believe she had 7 siblings, Nellie, George, Ernest, Albert, Minnie, Joseph and Elias.

Would love to hear back from you
regards
Jayne