Creighton/Creaton Census Help please

[cullenfamily]

Thanks Rosie.
Here is what I have:

THOMAS GROGAN (born c1859) married WINIFRED CREIGHTON (born c1861)
He was from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon and she was from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon
It appears they were married at Loughglynn Church on 21/2/1889
Children from that marriage:
Patrick Grogan (born 20/2/1890)
Mary Kate Grogan (28/11/1891) - MY GRANDMOTHER
John Grogan (born 17/5/1894)
Anne Julia Grogan (born 28/6/1896 - 1900)
Winifred Grogan (born 25/9/1898)
Margaret Mary Grogan (born 16/7/1901)
Thomas Grogan (born 26/11/1902)
Michael Grogan (born 1/7/1904)

Mrs Andrew Creighton (Mannion) buried Feb 9th 1891 aged 73 - birth c1818
Andrew Creighton buried Sept 8th 1891 aged 85 - birth c1806
would make them 43yo and 55yo respectively when Winifred Creighton was born (c1861)

could suggest there is a missing generation, unless of course Winifred was the youngest child born and taking into account that the dates may not be 100% accurate, Mary Mannion could very well be the mother of Winifred.

I don't see where this Gara connection fits in?

[JACK GEE]

Hello Creighton followers, i am enjoying the journey.
Is their any connection with the Roscommon Creighton line to Donegal?
I have a Charles Creighton[Craiton] who was born in Donegal in 1786.
This is my Creighton brickwall and trying to tick of any maybe links.
There is a number of Creightons in the Donegal Bay area that are not connected to my lot - yet.

The journey is worth it if a little frustrating at times.
Cheers
Jack Gee

[heywood]

Thanks Rosie.
Here is what I have:

THOMAS GROGAN (born c1859) married WINIFRED CREIGHTON (born c1861)
He was from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon and she was from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon
It appears they were married at Loughglynn Church on 21/2/1889
Children from that marriage:
Patrick Grogan (born 20/2/1890)
Mary Kate Grogan (28/11/1891) - MY GRANDMOTHER
John Grogan (born 17/5/1894)
Anne Julia Grogan (born 28/6/1896 - 1900)
Winifred Grogan (born 25/9/1898)
Margaret Mary Grogan (born 16/7/1901)
Thomas Grogan (born 26/11/1902)
Michael Grogan (born 1/7/1904)

Mrs Andrew Creighton (Mannion) buried Feb 9th 1891 aged 73 - birth c1818
Andrew Creighton buried Sept 8th 1891 aged 85 - birth c1806
would make them 43yo and 55yo respectively when Winifred Creighton was born (c1861)

could suggest there is a missing generation, unless of course Winifred was the youngest child born and taking into account that the dates may not be 100% accurate, Mary Mannion could very well be the mother of Winifred.

I don't see where this Gara connection fits in?

Hello Cullen family,

Gara 'fits in' in my reply 33 where there is a Winifred born to Michael Creighton and Ann Gara.
It is there as a suggestion and for you to verify with the marriage details.
Do you have other information which points to Andrew and Mary? As you point out, Mary Mannion could well be the mother of Winifred but you need stronger evidence.

Regards
Heywood

[heywood]

Children born to Andrew Creighton and Mary Mannion to check:

Andrew June 1850
Thomas October 1852
Margaret November 1855
Michael February 1858

There is also a Mary Ann who married in 1868 with these parents so there could be more in the records.

Children born to Michaael C and Anne Gara

James December 1853
Michael June 1855
Roger? April 1857
Mary April 1861
Winifred May 1862
Mary Ellen December 1868
Margaret January 1871

This would suggest that Andrew and Michael were perhaps brothers. You can search the baptisms - Godparents may also be useful in checking the families.

[cullenfamily]

Yes, I can see why the Gara mother may be a better fit as she has a daughter Winifred. I am not against this theory at all, in fact I would be very happy if this was true. As long as I get the correct parents I am happy to change my family tree. I have no proof either that the Mannion mother was more correct, only pointing out to Rosie that the dates of birth for the children would be feasable. I thought she said that I was missing a generation and by that I presumed she meant that there should be another set of parents in between the two I had already listed.

[heywood]

I think Rosie was implying that but you will only know by investing a few euros and buying the certificate.

[cullenfamily]

Thanks Heywood, for your assumption of what Rosie meant. Investing a few Euros is not a problem and I take offence to your remark. I thank you for your input to this thread so far. I think you have contributed enough.

[heywood]

Thanks Heywood, for your assumption of what Rosie meant. Investing a few Euros is not a problem and I take offence to your remark. I thank you for your input to this thread so far. I think you have contributed enough.

There was no criticism or offence meant at all.
I am sorry you got that impression. I was trying to help with my contribution , that's all.
One of the benefits of Irish research is that the copy certificates are so inexpensive compared to English ones - that was my meaning.

I notice you made presumptions re Rosie's remarks too and I was just trying to clarify the situation. Sorry, Rosie for butting in.

[Lisacul Rosie]

Whoever the parents are obtaining the marriage record will resolve any issue you have and continued speculation is avoiding putting this to bed. The father’s name and the townland will be shown and if they prove not to be Aughaloor but Aghadrestan then your connection to Andrew and the Mannion mother is tenuous. The 1862 baptism for a Winifred relates to the Creighton/O’Gara folk from Aghadrestan. A gap in the parish records (1863-1865) does not help us and the availability of the Civil Marriage record is critical to your research.

In addition to your Winifred there was another Winifred Creighton of a similar age married to a Francis Corrigan in 1886 from Kiltybranks which again is within the Loughglynn/Lisacul Catholic Parish.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Artagh_North/Kiltybranks/1660735/ 

You may wish to wait to see what transpires from the latest news on http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2016/08/onlnine-launch-irish-birth-marriage.html before requesting a copy of the GRO record.

The church records are made up of registers from two church’s and the more complete are the Loughglynn registers which shouldn’t cause an issue for your Aughaloor folk. Lisacul registers are not as complete pre 1860.