Settlement Certificate Help

[NEILKE]

hi sandy thanks for your imput what i do know is my nana and granda were very poor and had no work (my dad did tell me they had to sell some bedding before they could claim any asistance) they lived in north shields  as far as i know they had 2 choices they could move to either stoke or maningtree essex they picked maningtree.the goverment paid to resettle them with the move they were given a house and a plot of land to farm this land and the houses are still known as the settlements.but this is as much as i know.
neil

[Sandymc47]

Hi Neil,
It was very interesting reading about your family. They had to be
destitute to get any help in those days and there is a very good
page about it all if you google Government Assistance in the 1930's
In 1934 the UAB or Unemployment Assistance Board were given
grants by Ramsay McDonald to help struggling unemployed in places
like Tyneside, Wales etc and move them to a place of better employment
and give them training. Some older unemployed were given allotments and livestock etc.
I remember there still was a UAB when I was a kid in the 50's but no one
wanted to be known as being on benefits in those days as you were
looked down on badly.
That stigma seems to have disappeared nowadays.
Been to Manningtree once as my eldest son did his year out of Uni there.
Hope this assists you with your family, I know what it was like to be poor
and to prove the point - I thought people were posh if they had scented soap lol. A block of Sunlight or if Mum was a little richer some Fairy in the block.

Hi Loulou I am in now for the afternoon I will see if I can see anything for you. I live in Nottingham but I dont know where I would go to see any settlement certificates.

regards Sandymc

[Sandymc47]

Hi Loulou

I had a look at the Nottinghamshire weddings for a hundred years and found the following, just wondering if John Vernon was married twice??

John Vernon at Bothamsall married Sarah Halifax on 9th February 1795

John Vernon at Sutton in Ashfield married Hannah Holmes in 1803

regards Sandymc

[Loulou330]

Hi Sandymc,

John Vernon who married Sarah Hallifax was the son of John Vernon who married Ann Holmes.  At this moment I don't think there's a connection but its worth just double checking.

I did find some settlement certificates at Nottingham Archives but it was near to the end of my last visit.  There are so man different spellings of Vernon that I couldn't check them all.

I'm really desperate to trace John the elder's birth location as there are so many Vernons in Misterton that I wonder if there's a connection. 

Loulou

[NEILKE]

hi again sandy thanks for your advice ive google it no wonder my dad didnt have a lot to say about his childhood.but im so pleased they went to maningtree i hope you like the place as much as i do.the settlements are on the colchester road just past lawford.what i didnt know till a few years ago my nana never lost her north shields accent i bet there wasnt many who could understand her.about 20 years ago my wife and i went down the slinners in the high st. for a drink the bar maid ask me if i was dennis kenny,s son i said how do you know that she said because you are the person who talks like that round here.
kind regards neil
p.s my dad,his brother and sister came up trumps in the end his brother worked for B.P and by the time he retired is was well off his sister married a suffolk man they ended up owning a settlement house with loads of land. my mam and dad owned a bungerlow back in sunderland he worked on the railway from the time he moved up here untill he retiredthey travelled all over the world so there is a happy ending

[Sandymc47]

Hi Neil

How fantastic that everything turned out well. I was born just after the WW11 and it was poverty all around us. I am so pleased your family made good.
Me and my 3 other siblings all did well from a one up one down house for 6 of us to our own homes and great talents. After the poverty of a shared toilet up the street,no scented soap lol,  no bathroom with hot water taps until I was 16 we all made it like your family and it must have been the poverty that made us think, I dont want my kids to be like this.
Luckyily for me I was born in Leeds and even in the 1930's the cotton and wool industry was still going well as everyone wants clothes. So my family didnt have to settle somewhere else because they had no jobs.
Nowadays we dont know how people suffered and I am glad to be in my 60's with all the knowledge and spirit which was given to me by my parents who suffered so much poverty but survived.  I am sure you feel the same about yours. Bless them all x
regards Sandymc
p.s. I have a neutral accent most times until I go back to Leeds to visit then people say Do you come from Yorkshire?  Of course I do and wouldnt come from anywhere else lol.
 

[NEILKE]

hi sandy it makes intrestig reading about your childhood the soap made me smile i reckon you could write about your up bringing its sounds realy intresting and have it published. the pub in maningtree was the skinners not slinners.
neil