Banns before marriage

[stanmapstone]

Just because Banns had been called does not mean a marriage had taken place, and banns books have not always survived, so there could be no records of subsequent banns being called.

Stan

[stanmapstone]

Current CofE website states that



My understanding is that the banns have to be read in all parishes involved, so could be 3 if bride & groom live in different parishes and get married in a 3rd

Linda

That is not legally possible, banns can only be called in two parishes, that of the bride and groom, where they reside, or claim to reside, and one of which must be the one where the marriage is to take place . The only way a marriage can take place in another parish is by licence.

Stan

[johnP-bedford]

William Partridge, bachelor married Elizabeth Drewitt at Bedford St Pauls on 16/6/1806.

William Partridge of St Pauls Bedford married Elizabeth Makeham of Biddenham at Biddenham on 20/11/1806

In 1841 William & Elizabeth Partridge both born 1786 are in Buckingham, both born not in Bucks. He is a bookbinder by trade. He does 1845 & she dies in Aug 1851 in Texas - according to husband William's gravestone in Buckingham churchyard.

If it's the same William then his banns in Sept 1805 Elizabeth Makeham are suspect. If I could find a burial of Elizabeth, wife of William, in Bedford in 1806 that would decide it but I cannot find one.

In the PR transcriptions done for Bedfordshire parishes Banns are not included if both parties reside in the parish.

[danuslave]

Current CofE website states that



My understanding is that the banns have to be read in all parishes involved, so could be 3 if bride & groom live in different parishes and get married in a 3rd

Linda

That is not legally possible, banns can only be called in two parishes, that of the bride and groom, where they reside, or claim to reside, and one of which must be the one where the marriage is to take place . The only way a marriage can take place in another parish is by licence.

Stan

Thanks Stan - wrong again!

Linda

[chris_49]

The banns were read for my relative Emily Skelcey in Cubbington church (found by Carol02), but her marriage to Reginald Clarence Evens (of Colchester) has never been found - though it must have happened, they had four children.

Of couse, it might simply be one of those missing records, but since he was a soldier and she was a nurse, I've often wondered if they married in France just after the Armistice - and if so, if there's any way of finding out?

[Jeuel]

The fact that they had 4 children doesn't mean they had to be married!

[Geoff-E]

... Emily Skelcey ...

I can only find one birth-
Births Sep 1885 
SKELCEY    Emily Elizabeth        Warwick    6d   594

and a marriage-
Marriages Dec 1909   
ROSE    James Richard        Warwick    6d   1135   
SKELCEY    Emily Elizabeth         Warwick    6d   1135

Does the age seem about right?

Perhaps their last child was 1914 in Coventry ... did he die in the war?

[chris_49]

Well, they might not have been, but why read the banns, call it off, then have the children? (Evens with Skelsey mothers).

Geoff, that's a different one. The one I'm talking about was an S speller, I forgot, born 1895. There are four Evens-Skelsey births, one in Warwick, three in the Portsmouth area. It does get confusing. I actually met Jim Rose when I was young so I'm pretty clear which Emily is which.

[chris_49]

Well, it's nice to be proved right, even after two years, so long as you try not to be smug about it.

Reginald C Evens and Emily Skelsey (see my first post on the thread) married at (or registered at) the British Consulate in Etaples, Northern France, according to Service records on FindMyPast (now available in Lancs libraries). Both surnames are very rare.

Date range is given only as 1914-25, but based on the info given in earlier posts, the banns dates in Cubbington and the fact that their first known child was born in 1921, I'm putting 1919.

I say first known child - they might have had an earlier one in France. Any way of finding out? Also, would that marriage be in the actual Consulate, or somewhere else and merely registered there? Bit of a shortage of Protestant churches in rural France. Emily's family were  Anglican, and anti-Catholic prejudice was stronger then.

(We stayed in Etaples briefly back in 1999. I don't think it has a Consulate nowadays.)