Lookup please of Birth of Joseph Elliot b1887

[James D]

Hi

Could someone please lookup the birth details of:-

Joseph Elliot, b 1887 (about) in London (possible Wandsworth), father is Henry Elliot.

I'm looking for mothers name, DOB & location

Thanks in advance

James

[dawnsh]

Hi James

There's nothing obvious showing on freebmd or the 1891 census but there are entries where the surname is spelt EllioTT

What's the source of your information?

Dawn

[Isobelruss]

1891

RG12 447/68/39

117 North Street,Wandsworth

Harry Elliott 36 general labourer b Wandsworth Surrey
Amelia 36 wife b Battersea Surrey
Elizabeth Appleton 15 step dau b ditto
Susan Appleton 13 step dau b ditto
Harry Elliott 5 son b Wandsworth Surrey
Joseph Elliott 3 son b Wandsworth

[Isobelruss]

If the above is your Joseph
this could be parents marriage

Henry Elliott
Amelia Long
Sep qu 1882 Wandsworth 1d 912

[James D]

Hi Dawn

On the marriage cert of Joseph Elliot (23) & Edith Baldock (21) dated 13/2/1910, the father was Joseph Elliot, in freeBMD on Ancestry it has three of there children as Elliott and four as Elliot. So it could be either way.

I like the 1891 census that Isobel has found, but where do the two Appleton Step Daughters fit in if Amelia was a Long and not a Appleton, unless it's her second marriage?

One T or two, they don't make it easy. Must upgrade my Ancestry membership so that I can see the London Parish records?

Thanks for your help

James

[Valda]

Hi


1881 census RG11 653 folio 24
7 Goose? Street Battersea
George Appleton 31 Head Married General Labourer St Pancras Middlesex
Amelia Appleton 25 Wife Married Battersea Surrey
Elizabeth Appleton 3 Daughter Battersea Surrey
Mary Appleton 1 Daughter Battersea Surrey
 

30th May 1876 St Mary, Newington Southwark
George Appleton Full Bachelor Grocer 10 Peacock? Street Frederick Appleton Glazier
Amelia Mary Malthouse Spinster 9 Peacock? Street James Malthouse Labourer
Amelia Mary made her mark
Witnesses A Martin and Susannah Malthouse


1901 census RG13 484 folio 91
53 Garton Street Wandsworth
Harry Trigg 30 Head Married General Labourer Wandsworth London
Amelia Trigg 40 Wife Married Battersea London
Harry Trigg 15 Son General Labourer Wandsworth London
Joseph Trigg 14 Son Wandsworth London

24th December 1899 St Anne Wandsworth
Henry Trigg 40 Bachelor Greengrocer 53 Garton Street William Trigg Carrier
Amelia Mary Appleton 43 Widow 53 Garton Street James Malthouse Glazier
Both signed
Witnesses William Henry and Caroline Price



Henry and wife Amelia Trigg are in Croydon on the 1911 census with son Henry Elliott Trigg (free index). You will have to look the full entry up on the 1911 census yourself. For copyright reasons there can be no lookups of the 1911 census on Rootschat.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/



Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi


Joseph Elliot, a painter aged 23, was of 49 Garton Street on his marriage in 1910 in Wandsworth, His father Henry Elliot was recorded as a deceased painter. Joseph signed as Joseph Elliot without the second t.


Possible death registration for George Appleton


Deaths Sep 1886   
Appleton  George  36  Wandsworth  1d 405


There are no Appleton or Trigg birth registrations in Wandsworth registration district which fit the two boys birth ages from censuses. There are two possible Elliotts.


Births Sep 1886 
Elliott  Henry     Wandsworth  1d 698

Births Jun 1887   
Elliott  Joseph Thomas     Wandsworth  1d 755


The Appleton daughters birth registrations


Births Sep 1877
Appleton  Elizabeth Amelia     Wandsworth  1d 611


Births Mar 1880   
Appleton  Susannah Mary     Wandsworth  1d 676



Regards

Valda

[Isobelruss]

Do you think Amelia was another Mary Ann Cotton,shes going through husbands like her

[Valda]

Hi

As far as its possible to tell at this point Amelia Mary nee Malthouse may only have had two husbands (two men she lived with), one she married in 1876 (George Appleton) and the other in 1899 (the possibility is that Henry/Harry Trigg and Henry/Harry Elliott could be the same man).

There is a death registration for a possible Amelia M Trigg aged 87 in 1944 (Surrey Mid East registration district) which could be a match.


The records so far far show a similarity between Elliott and Trigg though the marriage entry of deceased in 1910 might be evidence there were two men.

1891 census Harry Elliott aged 36 General Labourer born Wandsworth (Amelia aged 36, in 1881 aged 25)
1901  census Harry Trigg aged 30 General Labourer born Wandsworth (Amelia aged 40)
1910 marriage of Joseph, father Henry Elliot deceased painter - the same occupation as Joseph (deceased here may be a mistake or indicate estrangement)
1911 census Henry Trigg aged 51 (occupation unknown as yet) born Wandsworth (Amelia aged 53)


Regards

Valda