Ryan shot by IRA in Hyne's/Shanahan's pub

[shanew147]

The clues do point to two different locations at about opposite ends of the same block - one at a junction of Gloucester St and Railway/Waterford and the other at the junction of Foley st and Ameins street..

nothing definite.. but some ideas...

Given his history I wonder if Philip Shanahan's involvement was in organizing or planning the shooting in some way, and that is resulting in crossed information. Another alternative may be that his Foley St pub was a alternate location where they were keeping an eye out for Ryan. I suppose it's also possible that he had a business involvement in the Gloucester St premises ?



Shane

[shanew147]

some details from the IT  Mon 7 Feb 1921

John Ryan, a plain clothes member of the military foot police was shot dead
in Dublin by three men.

further details on pg5...

extract ...

 ...military policeman named Ryan shot in Hynes's public house,
 Gloucester place....lived with his wife at 16 Railway street.. went
 to Hynes with another man about 10 o'clock...several shots fired
 ... his brother-in-law went to his assistance...

I'll send you a scan later...


Shane

[corisande]

Thanks Shane

This is the link to the pub in Arizona
http://www.robbiefoxs.com/rfhome.htm

They have researched the history of Ryans shooting, but (and here I risk winding up some readers) Arizona is the place that bought old London Bridge thinking it was Tower Bridge.

To be fair to them there are a number of references to Shanahan's as the scene of the shooting, but it may all link back to this bar in Arizona!

Report in Irish Times says he was with another man, but Witness Statements quoted by Dwyer do not mention another man with Ryan.

[shanew147]

....
They have researched the history of Ryans shooting, but (and here I risk winding up some readers) Arizona is the place that bought old London Bridge thinking it was Tower Bridge.
....

not true... that myth is debunked

There are photos of the purchaser examining the old bridge around the time of purchase, and planning the move to his new development - I think named Lake Haversham ?



Shane

[corisande]

Touchee, mea culpa 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge

[shanew147]

lots to learn from watching QI !

turns out the place is named Lake Havasu


Shane

[shanew147]

found Hynes in 1914...so to fill out the dates and locations at that time

1914

 P. Shanahan, 134 Foley Street - grocer and publican
   near to Beaver St and at the Amiens st end of street

 Thomas Hynes, 19 Lwr Gloucester place - tea, wine and spirit merch.
   at the junction of Lwr Gloucester place & Lwr Gloucester St


Shane

[corisande]

Thanks Shane

They are certainly 2 separate pubs, I have altered my map now



He has to have been shot in one or the other. Certainly Paddy Kennedy's Witness Statement quoted by Dwyer says Hynes . So it cannot have been Shanahans

On that basis it looks as if the pub in Arizona is wrong in claiming to have the original bar complete with a gunshot cracked mirror from Ryan's murder

Now will I tell them...

[shanew147]

Hynes is definitely nearer to Ryan's address at the Gardiner St end of Railway st - I think that's more likely as it fits more of the clues, although I think there could be a Shanahan connection somewhere along the line.. it's just got scrambled somewhere along the line.

If Shanahan's was closed down as the Robbie Fox website states, then it looks like he opened up again at the same location soon after.

As with many of these incidents I'm amazed at the sequence of events - they all either show evidence of great intelligence work or lack of personal security by the undercover men... or a combination of both. For Ryan to have lived so close to Shanahan's a known haunt of Collins etc, and near to the other agents he informed on seems to be very lax



Shane