NORWAY: Haagensen, Peter Henrik

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Incidentally, I have yet to find a link between Peter Henrik Haagensen, in the opening post, and Peter John Haagensen, who is a definite relation, this despite the family believing they/we were related.

Have you tried looking for your "Peter Johns" father Haagen in the 1865-census? His marriage to Johanne Marie? His birth in 1852?

If he was born 1852 a marriage early 1870's is likely, but where? Fredrikstad-area, several parishes possible...

J

Yes I have the him in the 1865 census. He's listed as Hagen there and his father is Johan Haagensen and his mother Maren and brother Oscar. This is in the district of Forstaden, Fredrikstad. Johan was probably born in Odalen (Sor-Odal).

At this stage it is likely Johan Haagensens father was a Haagen Jonasen.

[janrm]

Yes,

here they are:

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f60103&gardpostnr=245&personpostnr=3509&merk=3509#ovre

Johan Haagensen is Brændeviinshandler (=Liquour dealer) and has one pig...!

He is born Odalen, his sons in Fredrikstad and Maren in Forstaden (= Fredrikstad suburbs)

Shouldn' t be too difficult to find births & confirmations.....

J

[neil 2]

Thank you for your help.

[janrm]

You welcome!

Hakon Oluff's birth Nov 19, 1852 is #27 here (I think!):

 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7450&idx_id=7450&uid=ny&idx_side=-150

His father Johan is "Handelsborger", some kind of upper class, trying to translate it to modern English...

J

[neil 2]

HI

Ive been looking around and i think Johan Haagensen dad is Haagen Jonason 1817-1852 ,mother Anne Johansdatter 1789-1858 although there is a large age difference ? .
Haagen Jonasen father is Jona Mathisen 1770 and mother Eli Olsdatter 1758-1801??? The birth place for Jona Mathisen is showing two diffrent places one source says Odal Hedmark in Norway and the other source says its Odal, Uttaranchal India.Both sources have the same names and dates for the wife and children ie Haagen Johasen.All very confusing .Any ideas.

Kind Regards
neil

[janrm]

Hi Neil!

After browsing the replies in this topic is my interpretation of the Haagensen family line like this:
(paternal)

Johan Peter (UK: Peter John) - Haagen Oluf (b 1852) - Johan Haagensen (b 1817) - Haagen Jonassen (b approx 1790)

I think Haagen is here with his parents and younger sister in 1801:

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f18010418&gardpostnr=16&personpostnr=81&merk=81#ovre

This family lives in what is Sør-Odal Municipality in Hedmark County today.

Johan Haagensen is "alive and kicking" in Fredrikstad in 1865. (really Jan 1, 1866)

J

[neil 2]

Hi

Thanks for the information it backs up what i thought.The only confusion is Odal in india and Odal in Norway.Its either wrong and he was born in Odal Norway or would there be a possibilty that Jonas Mathisen who i think is Haagen Jonasen was born when his father was in the army and he was in India.Long shot i know.Not sure if theres much of a link between Norway and India.
Any way that again for all your help.

Kind Regards
neil

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I work it out as the following:

1. Jonas Mathisen b. c1770 Sor-Odal, Hedmark, Norway
+ Elie Olsdatter b. c1758

2. Haagen Jonasen b. c1790 Sor-Odal, Hedmark, Norway
+ Anne Johansdatter

3. Johan Haagensen b.1817 Sor-Odal, Hedmark, Norway
+ Maren Gurine Hermansdatter b.1817 Forstaden, ?Fredrikstadt, Norway.

So Jonas is the father of Haagen as the paternal naming system implies. So presumably the first name of the father of Jonas would be a 'Mathis' or similar.

[janrm]

Yes, I think your Haagen's baptism is here "11th Sunday after Trinity", 1790:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9142&idx_id=9142&uid=ny&idx_side=-286
(#7, left column)

But I see no immediate indications your Jonas was born in Sør-Odal, have you found his baptism/confirmation?

-J