Tasmania Lookup THOMAS and UNDERWOOD family

[wotsabwe]

Yes, my Grandfather was Carl Edwin Lucas Thomas born May 16 1886 as was his twin sister Eva Victoria Thomas. Both lived reasonably long lives unlike their
following twin siblings Amy and Oliver who only lived for about 10 months after their birth two years after Carl and Eva. They were from Emma Lucas as you will note from Carl's full name.
I have some photos of Carl and his wife Elsie Ruth (Brown) and also of Eva.
Not sure just who James Thomas was, though, he doesn't appear in my tree for Charles Thomas and Mary Underwood. Did he have another first name but preferred to be called James ?? Perhaps Edley Louis James Thomas
Cheers Ted
PS: Here is a photo we believe to be Charles Edward Thomas snr. Have photos of Carl Thomas and his wife Elsie Ruth Brown and others.

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

i can definately confirm that that is him
 
who is Elsie Ruth Brown i didnt know he married another person. it is amazing though as it says apparently on his death certificate that he married 3 women i know mary ann and Emma Lucas but didnt know about Elise Brown.

James doesnt appear because  Charles and Mary Ann did not register him with his first name.  If you look there is a male child born in 1864 with the last name Thomas.

James was known by a few names 
in wa he was known for at least 15 years as James George Thomas.  but later on in life he was known as James Frederick Thomas (which also appears on his birth certificate.
I will pm you a message as well

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

sorry i misread the line i thought that Elsie was charles other wife but shes Carls wife so she would be ur grandmother. 
well that is awesome.  I am so glad that u have messaged

[MasonLaRoche]

~Merlin~

I was wondering what sort of information you have on James Underwood. I am related to him through his daughter Charlotte who married the Surgeon Robert Wainwright Owen. I have been trying to find photos of James Underwood and anything to do with him as well as any other information!

Thanks Alot
Mason La Roche

[cookie4416]

I also am looking for Charles Edward Thomas that married Mary Ann Underwood 1860
Their witnesses was John Joseph and Mary Ann McEnnulty of Longford.
Mary Ann was an Oldfield before she married but her mother was Martha Underwood.
Was this Mary Ann and Martha sisters ?
This is my Mary Ann Underwood
UNDERWOOD, MARY ANN
Gender:  Female
Birth   
Marriage/Relationship: 1860 - LAUNCESTON,Tasmania ( THOMAS, CHARLES E )     

Children: 330170  THOMAS CHARLES EDWARD 1861
330172  THOMAS M 1864
330167  THOMAS M 1866
330169  THOMAS LOUISA 1869
330168  THOMAS F 1871
330171  THOMAS M 1875
 

 
 
Family
 
THOMAS, CHARLES EDWARD
Gender:  Male
Birth 1861 - EMU BAY,Tasmania 
Marriage/Relationship: 1884 - HOBART,Tasmania ( MCPHERSON, MARY ANN ) 
Death:   

FAMILY INFORMATION 

Parents: 320866  THOMAS CHARLES E 
313464  UNDERWOOD MARY ANN 
 
Siblings: 330172  THOMAS M 1864
330167  THOMAS M 1866
330169  THOMAS LOUISA 1869
330168  THOMAS F 1871
330171  THOMAS M 1875
 
Children: 330164  THOMAS CHARLES HENRY 1884
330163  THOMAS GEORGE 1886
330162  THOMAS HYGENIA 1890
330161  THOMAS ROY 1892
 

[Dundee]

According to the 1841 UK census, Martha OLDFIELD formerly UNDERWOOD was aged 33 so born around 1808.

Mary Ann UNDERWOOD was a minor when she married in 1860 in Tasmania, so born after 1839.  While it is not impossible, it is unlikely that they were sisters.

I believe that IF there was a family relationship, then Martha may have been Mary Ann's aunt, which in turn made her daughters Mary Ann's cousins.

Debra 

[cookie4416]

Can anyone confirm that this would be correct for the Oldfield family

Husband
William Oldfield 1804-1882

Wife
Martha Underwood 1804-1888

Daughter
HARRIET Oldfield 1823-1896  ( convict )

have found her marrying three times 
Henry Jones 31 December 1849
William Garner on 20 Sept 1854 in Emu Bay, Tasmania
John Smith in 1867 in Emu Bay, Tasmania

Daughter
Mary Ann Oldfield 1829 - 1889
John Joseph 1827 - 1872

Daughter
Maria Oldfield 1844 - 1925
John Jacob Beuttermuller  ( Miller ) - changed his surname when he married Maria

I have also found a John " JAMES " McEnnulty 1827-1872
Not John " JOSEPH " McEnnulty 1827-1872 as is on their marriage certificate.

[Dundee]

Husband
William Oldfield 1804-1882

Wife
Martha Underwood 1804-1888

https://familysearch.org/search has William and Martha's marriage and baptisms for Harriet and Mary Ann.  There is also an index to the 1841 Nottinghamshire census, William is aged 36, Martha 33, Harriet 13, Mary 10.  Maria is not yet born.  I have no idea when or where William and Martha died.

HARRIET Oldfield 1823-1896  ( convict )

have found her marrying three times
Henry Jones 31 December 1849
William Garner on 20 Sept 1854 in Emu Bay, Tasmania
John Smith in 1867 in Emu Bay, Tasmania

Harriet's convict records are digitised online:
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=53747

Harriet did apply to marry Henry JONES, but they did not marry.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5

Harriet only married once to William GARNER in 1854 (recorded in the 1858 marriage register)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35346-7544-32?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9Z6:94791410

She did later have children with John SMITH but died as Harriet GARNER in 1896.  There is plenty on TROVE http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=harriet+garner

Take note of the statement on FamilyLinks on the Tas Archives website:

"Except where indicated by '(AO)', the family links in the database have not been made by the TAHO and we are not therefore able to guarantee their accuracy. Links made by the National Heritage Foundation have been built up from a diverse range of sources which have not themselves been checked. The database is no longer being updated and TAHO cannot accept any further corrections."

Some of the dates of marriage that they give are not from the actual records, but are assumed from the date of the first child born and so many are incorrect.

Daughter
Mary Ann Oldfield 1829 - 1889
John Joseph 1827 - 1872

Their marriage with ages:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35346-5142-74?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9ZX:n616984673

Mary Ann's second marriage in 1877:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35347-5525-64?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-98Z:n2133929582

Apparently they separated and she died as McENNULTY, but I cannot confirm this:

Mary Ann McENNULTY
Died: 4 Mar 1889
Age:    59
Registration Place: Longford, Tasmania
# 918

I have also found a John " JAMES " McEnnulty 1827-1872
Not John " JOSEPH " McEnnulty 1827-1872 as is on their marriage certificate.

I have not seen anything which records a middle name, he is always just 'John McENNULTY'.  They did have a son named John Joseph.  However this seems to be his death reg., Mary Ann refers to him as 'my late husband' in a newspaper advert in November 1872.

John Joseph McENNULTY
Died: 3 Sep 1872
Age:    45
Registration Place:  Longford, Tasmania
#275

Daughter
Maria Oldfield 1844 - 1925
John Jacob Beuttermuller  ( Miller ) - changed his surname when he married Maria

Their marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35346-8977-97?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9ZV:n1854196113

MILLER-On the 16th August, at the residence of her son (Mr. A. Miller), Lilydale, Maria, widow of the late Jacob Miller, aged 81 years. 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66972322

Debra