Tasmania Lookup THOMAS and UNDERWOOD family

[wivenhoe]

Hello Debra
                  Thank you for the repeat of the web link to the death notice. Information for Louisa Thomas d. 1902 looks good, and it would make sense that she would not be alone in WA at this time, so a sibling there would fit. Can I ask how you have identified her as the sister of James Frederick Thomas please?

Wivenhoe

[Dundee]

Hi Wivenhoe,

I only know that Louisa's death reg on the indexes gives the same parents, place of birth and timeframe that Tracey has for her James, and her birth does appear in the Tas indexes.

Hi Tracey,

Many, many events were unrecorded and Mary Ann's birth or baptism could be one of them.  Many convict women brought children with them or gave birth in Tasmania and they went unrecorded.  Many "traditional" families also had children that were not recorded. My great grandmother was born in England, and her siblings were born in Tasmania but only one is recorded.  I was lucky that their parents moved to Victoria and died there and all of the children are named on their death certs.  If not for this I would never have known that they existed.  You need to gather as much documentation as you can when you have "difficult" ancestors.  If nobody in the family already has copies of certs, ask them to contribute some money in exchange for a monthly newsletter (my aunts say it is better than reading a Mills and Boon!)

I just think that you need to give Mary Ann, Charles and their children a life first, and along the way you might find the clues you are looking for to take you further back.

Debra 

[wivenhoe]

Hello Debra
                         I am thinking that, if there is a death certificate for a Thomas who died in WA with parents Charles Edward Thomas and Mary Ann Underwood, and this man is not James Frederick, as indicated in the WA BDM, then it opens the possibility of third Tas-born member of this family in WA, and another souce of information about this family.

Hello Tracey
                          You need to sight that death record, and the marriage record for James Frederick Thomas. They might hold clues to the origins of these peole.

Wivenhoe
                     
                                       
                       

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

Wivenhoe  this is definately the right James Frederick Thomas.  So there are two members that went to Western Australia from the same family.
I realise that it can be really confusing. but James George Thomas and James Frederick Thomas is the same person.  not two individuals.  his nickname was JJ thomas as well.  this man went by many names.
Bev one of James's Granddaughters has said that some of the family went to Victoria.  some of the brothers. it would be interesting to find out which ones they were.  could someone do a BMD for Victoria state to see if Charles and Mary had children that died in Victoria . they would of been adults

also if u could search marriages. i would like to know if there are any other descendants apart from James's family.

Debra thanks for the information. I might have an uncle who may help me with the costs. but he wont buy everything so could u please tell me what is the most important certificates that i need please.
also if Charles Edward Thomas and Mary Ann Thomas marriage were married in tasmania and it was recorded. would what sort of information would i get off of it.  would that be worth while getting? 

thank  u  i appreciate everyones help

[Dundee]

Hi Tracey,

All Tasmanian BDMs can be accessed on microfilm up to 1900 at most libraries so there is never any need to purchase certificates for the 1800's - these are the actual register entries, not an index.  I remember you saying that you live in WA, so here is a link to the Battye Library  http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/find/guides/family_history/australia/tasmania/births_marriages_deaths  I don't know what their set up is, but often the microfilm reader is connected to a computer and you can download the images straight from the microfilm to a memory stick or email them to yourself (very modern!!)

If you can't manage to get to a library, let me know and I will have a look for you.  There is not much info recorded on Tas certificates before 1896, but always worth looking at everything anyway.  Have a look here at what you can expect to find http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

Other certificates that I would purchase would be:
1) James and Sarah's WA 1891 marriage - it might say whether his mother was deceased at that stage.
2) The 1925 Victorian death cert for Charles THOMAS to see if he is the correct person - (father of James, husband of Mary Ann)  This one is a bit of a punt - you will be hoping that ALL of his children are named, and enough details to confirm that he is your man. You really need the names of those poor nameless children!!

Chas THOMAS
Death Place: Box Hill, Victoria
Age:     98
Reg Year:     1925
Reg Number:     8301 

Can be downloaded instantly here  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0aq2/  (buy an uncertified image online)

Other certificates would be Louisa's death in WA in 1902 as I would want to know who the informant was, and it may also tell you if either parent was deceased.  Her address and occupation, if any, are also of interest, and it should tell you how long she had been living in each state (if the informant knew)

....and here is another in Victoria for you:

Death

Edeley Louis James THOMAS

Death Place: Dandenong, Victoria
Age: 80
Father's name: Chas Edw THOMAS
Mother's name: Mary Ann UNDERWOOD
Registration Year: 1949
Number:    18354

Another brother? So where did he get a name like that from? Will have a look around at some things for you.

Debra 

[~MERLIN~]

SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY
   
THOMAS, EDELEY LOUIS JAMES
CREMATED 2/05/1949
TRISTANIA, WALL NICHE SINGLE
WALL 2B
NICHE 76        

[~MERLIN~]

There were SIX children (four males & 2 females) registered in the TAS births for Charles THOMAS & Mary Ann UNDERWOOD all at Emu Bay. Only two of them appear with names & none appear deceased as children.

CHARLES EDW HY ALB A - 21/05/1861

MALE Name Not Recorded - 31/05/1864 = possibly James Frederick/George THOMAS = death found in WA

MALE Name Not Recorded - 15/08/1866  = possibly Edeley Louis James THOMAS = death found in VIC

LOUISA - 1/02/1869 = death found in WA

FEMALE Name Not Recorded - 27/09/1871

MALE Name Not Recorded - 31/01/1875  = possibly Edeley Louis James THOMAS = death found in VIC

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

oh my gosh
this is soo amazing  thank you so very much for helping me with this.

Debra i have been to battye library many times. unfortunately i wont be able to go for the next few weeks as its the school holidays and i am flat tack with the kids.  I love going there because i dont have the kids with me and i can concentrate. the historians know me by name lol. they were there when i found my first convict.

my relatives are sending me all the information this time.. she said she wont hold anything back so hopefully i might get some of the records we are looking for.

this is soo amazing.  i am so grateful for everyones help. Thank u so much Debra and Merlin  i am soo very grateful to u

I have never heard the name Edeley Louis James Thomas.  no idea where the name would of even come from.

i will keep searching as much as i can online..  wow i wish i was living in NSW, TAS and Vic  it would be so much easier to look up information over there lol

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

I went to the library finally today and i could not see anything to do with Mary Ann Underwood.  there is no passenger arrivals for her, nor is there a birth certificate or death certificate, that i could find.

I did find the marriage for mary and Charles Edward thomas 1860 but we already have this information.

Either there are two charles Edward Thomas's in Emu Bay or there is the one and he had to relationships

1st marriage to Mary Ann Underwood having 6 kids
2nd Marriage/ relationship  to Emma Lucas and having 6 kids with her (that i could find)

i could not find a marriage record for Emma lucas and Charles Edward Thomas.


There was a charles Edward Thomas in Bernie in 1919 ( and my relatives told me that they got some of their information from that local library.

but i believe he went to Victoria after.

i am not sure if they are the same charles or two different ones.

Debra,
you said that there was an ancestry tree that was talking about charles and emma lucas.  I tried to get in touch with them today but i couldnt find the tree.
is there anyway that u or someone could get in touch with these people and give them my email address and let them know i am interested.
i was so upset that i couldnt find them.. i even got the librarian involved and she couldnt find them either.
so any help locating and linking me with this family would be soo appreciated

There was one piece of information that i found too and that was that Charles may have been a carpenter.. not sure if this is the same charles either.