Tasmania Lookup THOMAS and UNDERWOOD family

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

merlin just sent u some information. but i dont know if it will be much help

[wivenhoe]

There are many names here, but I think I am understanding that you have James Frederick Thomas d. Western Australia 1952, aged 87yrs. And a death certificate that has him born to Charles Edward Thomas and Mary Ann Underwood, Tasmania.

Karrakatta Cemetery has a date of death for James Frederick Thomas as 16 Dec 1952, 87 years so I am assuming this is your James Thomas.

WA BDM index has James Frederick Thomas d. 1952 but there are no parents names listed.  This does not appear to match the death certificate information that you have.     

What other details are on the death certificate?. Does this ft with other information that you know about him - marriage, childrens names  etc. Can you please give all the details on the death certificate.

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

Hi Wevenhoe

I dont have the death certificate, my 3rd cousin does.  both June and Bev are James Thomas's grand daughters. and have told me that that is the right James that i have.
they also told me that he died in Cottesloe and that is what it says on the death notice.
so this is definately the right James Thomas.
and no i dont think there would be any parents listed as it was his daughter that made the funeral arrangements and i dont think she knew them. his mother died before he came to western australia and i have no idea if he had kept in contact with his father.

In WA up until 1915 he was known as James George Thomas.
but on he was unknown when his parents registered his birth. they only registered his last name. so it doesnt suprise me that he changed his name.

[Dundee]

I don't know if this has been posted earlier, but here is his death notice http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b0g/

Even in death he had two bob each way on the Frederick/George!!

Debra 

[Dundee]

Perhaps the information you have relates to the Mary Ann UNDERWOOD daughter of Thomas and Catherine who was born in NSW in 1845.  Thomas was the son of James.  This Mary Ann died in 1866 unmarried, her brother Thomas died the following year, and her sister Sarah died in 1872 from scarlet fever.

Debra 

[wivenhoe]

Dundee
            Can you please repeat the link to the death notice as it seems to be incomplete.

Tracey,
             If the death entry in the WA BDM index has no parents names for James Frederick Thomas d. 1952, that means that the death certificate for this James Frederick Thomas  d. 1952 has no names for his parents. You need to consider that the death details you have are not for this man. They might well be for James Thomas, but it is a different person.

All of this search - Underwood, Tasmania, First Fleet arrivals - is based on the information on the death certificate.  And this is selective details passed on by phone from a third cousin, who quite possibly does have a James Thomas in their family, but no necessarily your James Thomas. You need to ask the cousins to send you a copy of the death certificate before you go any further. You need to verify this link to your James Thomas and you could do that by checking other details on the certificate such as age, marriage, and children for this deceased person.

If you have a marriage certificate for your James Thomas, can you pass on all the details please - hopefully it lists his parents names, which will confirm the connection to Charles Edward Thomas and Mary Ann Underwood.

Wivenhoe

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

wow Dundee thank u so much   Elsie was James's second daughter  

the details dont tell the whole story in the newspaper. 

he actually left sarah-jane around 35-40 years earlier.. took off with her sister and left her with 7 kids to raise alone.
he came back to western australia around 1948 and the only person who would talk to him was his daughter Elsie, her husband Jack and their daughter June.  June was the lady i went to see, shes in her 80's now. (88)

Wivenhoe! this definately is the right James Thomas.  i already know this is the right James thomas.

and his mothers name was Mary Ann Underwood and his fathers name was Charles Edward Thomas.

i am trying to find out where mary ann underwood came from.  June had some info stating that we came from James underwood. so i am trying to link up mary.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dundee   wow  thank u so much for the death notice.  anything on my family is lovely to see.

[Dundee]

Hi Wivenhoe,

The link is working for me, but here is a transcription of the notice:

The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879-1954) Friday 19 December 1952 (page 34)

THOMAS, James Frederick (George) Passed away on Dec. 16, husband of the late Sarah Jane (died Sep. 29, 1951); aged 87 years. Peacefully sleeping. Inserted by Els, Jack and June. A Private Service was held in the Crematorium Chapel, Karrakatta, on Dec. 16. D. J. Chipper and son.

James' sister Louisa THOMAS (born 1869 Tas) died unmarried in Perth, WA in 1902, and is buried at the Karrakatta cemetery.

http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php

We really need to be looking at what happened to Mary Ann.  If she died somewhere other than Tasmania then her death cert could have some helpful information.  Her last kinown child was born in 1875. I don't think that any of the deaths in Tas that I posted earlier would be her:

This is definitely not her - cemetery and newspaper have her as the wife of William, mother of Henrietta
Name:     Mary Ann THOMAS
Death Date:    3 Apr 1885
Reg Place:    Hobart, Tasmania
Age:    42
Reg Number:    2329

Mary was under 21 when she married in 1860, so these are too old.  (The first left a will and details confirm this is not her)
Name:     Mary THOMAS
Death Date:    1 Dec 1892
Reg Place:    Beaconsfield, Tasmania
Age:    70
Reg Number:    32

Name:     Mary THOMAS
Death Date:    12 Aug 1881
Reg Place:  Hobart, Tasmania
Age:    60
Reg Number:    3315

There is another in 1896 who is too old, and this one in 1900 with no age given:

Mary Ann THOMAS
1900
Registration Place:    Longford, Tasmania
Registration Number:    0375

Tracey if you don't have James' 1891 marriage cert then you really need to get it as it may tell you whether his mother was already deceased or not.

Debra 

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

Hi Debra


wow i had no idea that his sister came to Western Australia. Thank u so much for finding that information out.

no i dont have his marriage certificate.
I will ring up my relatives and see if any of them have a copy of it though.

sorry... just rang and there doesnt seem to be a copy available already.
apparently some information was gathered from the Bernie library
and a person from tasmania with the last name underwood thought that mary ann was related. but couldnt place her
so i think maybe that she came from nsw not tasmania