Tasmania Lookup THOMAS and UNDERWOOD family

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

Hi I was thinking that Henry Thomas may of had to ask permission to get married if he was a convict. he married a lady by the name of Elizabeth (no last name mentioned)
is there anyone who could check this out for me please.






 

I would love to know where Mary Ann Underwood came from. I was told that she came from America. All i can find  is her marriage to Charles Edward Thomas and  the births of her children.

I dont know where she was born or where she died.  Is it possible that she did come from America?




i was wondering if someone could please help me link James Underwood with Mary Ann underwood.

james was a convict on the charlotte ( not sure why he was a convict would love to find out)

after he did his time he went back to England and brought his two brothers back to Australia. they ended up in Tasmania. Apparently  this is where my great great great grandmother Mary Ann Underwood comes from.  i was wondering if anyone could help me prove this.

could someone help me connect James to Mary Ann please.  she may have been born in New South Wales.  i dont have much information on this man. only that he was a convict on the ship Charlotte, which came over with the first fleet.  i would love any information you could help me with..
eg did he marry over here or was he already married
Was Mary Ann born in England or New South Wales as she wasnt born in Tasmania (at least i dont think so)



IF i could have some help on the following i would appreciate it. 
many thanks

1. Mary Ann Underwood may have come from USA, could she have gone straight to Tasmania or was  going to Tasmania in those days a 2 or 3 ship journey.

2. Is there any way that a person could find details about Gold mines in Broken Hill  NSW. records i am looking for would be somewhere in between 1915- 1935. apparently the mine is still working today although not producing anything.

3. The Solomon Islands - are they included in Australia and if not how do i go about looking for records, eg a person going there by ship, did they have census records?

4. Henry was James grandfather. is there any way to find out who his father was and if it was his father that came out to Tasmania. I would very much like to know if the family came out as free people or convicts.

5, Charles Edward Thomas may have died in Victoria. Can someone please do a search for me to see if this is correct. Also did Mary Ann Thomas die in Tasmania or Victoria.


Thank you for your time
Tracey Kelly


Extra Information that i have.
Father: Charles Edward Thomas born 1835
Mother: Mary Ann Underwood (born around 1844 but if someone knows and can tell me i would appreciate it)

Charles and Mary Ann were married on 14 April 1860 it states that Mary was a minor ( i am assuming it means she was about 16 (is that right). they were married at the Independent Chapel in
Launceston.

I have only just discovered that James was born in Tasmania and who his parents were so any information would be greatly appreciated.

James was known by a few middle names

James Frederick Thomas (as stated by his death certificate)
James George Thomas (as stated on his patent records and census records in western australia)
this was because his parents only registered the last name.  BUT on the death certificate it states his name as being James Frederick Thomas.

This man is my great great grandfather. he came to western australia in 1890 and married my great great grandmother in 1891. (her name was Sarah-Jane)

i have researched him starting in western australia in 1890 until he disappears in 1916. He took off with all the money and his wife's sister and left an amazing woman to raise 7 children by herself.
He went to  Broken Hill in NSW and owned a Gold mine there. 

I have reason to believe that he went to the solomon islands  but i have no idea how to start researching there. is there anyone who could give me some tips on how to find where he went??

I would also like to know as much as possible about James, parents and family history.  I would dearly like to know how the families came to be in Australia if possible.

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

sorry i forgot to add the reason why i have put this with Tasmania is because apparently that is where he was born and where his family come from.

[johngirl]

Hi Tracey,

There were five children born to Charles and Mary Ann Thomas that I can find.

Charles Edward Henry born 21/05/1861 
Name not recorded born 31/05 /1864 male child.
Name not recorded born 15/08/1866 male child.
Louisa born 21/02/1869.
Name not recorded born 31/01/1875 male child.

All registered at Emu Bay Tasmania.

I can give you the registration numbers if you need them.

Johngirl.

[johngirl]

Hi again Tracey,

Sorry I could not find a birth for a Mary Ann Underwood in Tasmania that fits only one born 1849 in Launceston but a bit young to be married in 1860.

  Johngirl.

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

hi Johngirl

thanks for that  after adding the dates ..  James Thomas died 1952 at the age of 87 years. i have found him to be the
31.05.1864  child that is un named.  its interesting because James called himself many names.

i was wondering if you had any information on his mother and father
Charles Edward Thomas and
Mary Ann Underwood
i am really interested in trying to find out how long these branches of family lived in Tasmania for and where they actually originated before migrating to Tasmania

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

johngirl it states on their marriage certificate that she was a minor..  she couldnt be that young ... could she??

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

is it possible that she could of migrated to Tasmania?

[wivenhoe]

How have you identified your James Thomas, who goes to WA, as a son of Charles Edward Thomas and Mary Ann Underwood...what is on his marriage and death certificates please?

[Tracey Joy Kelly]

Hi there

i actually knew that james was married in Albany and in a census it also mentions my great great grandmother living with him after they were married.   there are then. so i researched him and found a newspaper article which gave me alot of information that tied into the postal address's and the census's.
a family member told me that he was an american inventor.  because a rootschat member found some of his patents on a canadian website, i just assumed this was correct.

he went away around 1916 from WA and i couldnt find him on any documentation at all.
Then i had a phone call from a family member saying she has his death certificate.  it stated his parents names,  Charles Edward Thomas, Mary Ann Underwood
it states that he was born in tasmania

it also stated that his middle name was Frederick not George like in western australia.   he came back to western australia and died over here in 1952. 

the fact that he didnt have a first and middle name when registered would explain why he could get away with changing his name like he did all the time

even though i am his great great grandaughter.. i will say that the guy was incredibly smart.. even though he was like a con man.

i wish i had a copy of the death certificate myself but i dont.

i followed him through his time line ... to gold mines and building hotels and bewerys, he had 8 children all up.

is there any more information u would like, i am not sure if i have given you the right stuff

if i can i will upload a photo of him