William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple

[ion]

Hi Axlehurn,
I was very interested to hear of the possible existance of a wife for Rev William King Lynar and a child. Have you been able to confirm the record with familysearch?
I am descended from the brother of Sir William Wainwright Fawcett Lynar and I have researched the family tree a few generations further up.
Siblings of Rev William include Rowland (also seen spelt Roland) Lynar and Capt. Edward Alexander Fawcett Lynar.
Do you know if Roland Lynar married and had any children? I have found an Alfred Lynar of Belfast in the 1901 census aged 43 which would put his dob around 1857. Alfred had a son Roland which makes me think there may be a connection.
Ion

[scotmum]

The content of the will can now be viewed online, but there is no mention of a daughter:

http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=163366

[axlehurn]

Have not looked at this for some time, and will need to dig out my records, but from memory he was listed as her father on her marriage record.  Mother was not listed.  I will get back to you soon as I can dig out the record

[ion]

I have found another William Lynar who may have been the father of Olivia. This William Lynar is mentioned in Freemans Journal & Daily Commercial Advertizer Sat Nov 13 1858 under the heading Insolvent Debtors. He once resided at Lower Georges St Kingstown Co Dublin and was a Victualler which probably meant he sold grog. Sir William Wrainwright Fawcett Lynar once resided in Kingstown for a short time but he died in 1845. I do not believe that William the victualler was Sir William's son.
It is more likely I feel after reading William King Lynar's will that he had not married. It would be unusual to provide for ones mother and not mention a wife and daughter in the will. Also Isabella his mother died a few weeks prior to her sons death and the memorial to them says erected by a "few friends". No mention of wife and child.
Ion

[axlehurn]

I've found a new Lynar.  There was an infants death registered in 28/04/1870 For a Jonathon Joseph Lynar, and the address given is Antrim Street Carrickfergus.
Unfortunately I can't decipher the name of the father or mother in the written text.  I'm trying to find who was living in Antrim street at that time, without a lot of success
Alan

[Kiltaglassan]

William John Costley born 20 February 1903 in Belfast.  MMN Lynar
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1903/01883/1732250.pdf

1911 census in replies #12 & #13

[gaffy]

I've found a new Lynar.  There was an infants death registered in 28/04/1870 For a Jonathon Joseph Lynar, and the address given is Antrim Street Carrickfergus.
Unfortunately I can't decipher the name of the father or mother in the written text.  I'm trying to find who was living in Antrim street at that time, without a lot of success
Alan

The April 1870 death registration says that he was the 2 year old son of a dressmaker, I imagine this is referring to his mother.  The informant of the death was a Lizzie Lynar, no relationship stated.

Consider the following as a possibility for Jonathon Joseph's birth, nearly two years earlier in May 1868 at Larne workhouse, born illegitimately to a mother named Elizabeth [something] Glover, the [something] could be Mary... or could it be King? Open to other opinions.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1868/03445/2265000.pdf

I imagine others reading through this topic so far might have had the same thought as me but decided it was too tenuous and risqué to mention, but I'll just come out and ask it anyway - could Rev. William King Lynar have had one or more relationships out of wedlock, resulting in Olivia Jane... and now also this Jonathon Joseph?

I also wondered about a transcript of a baptism on 4 July 1860 in Christchurch Church of Ireland Belfast (on a subscription website), it was an Alfred "Leior" baptised for parents recorded as William Leior and Elizabeth Glover, the address was Larne (why travel all the way from Larne?) and a note at the bottom of the transcript says "surname unclear - Lei[?]or" - I wish I could see the original entry myself.  Anyhow, I think this might read across to the chap that ion identified at reply #18 and their point was well made regarding the co-incidence of the forename Roland/Rowland.  Here are the folk in question in 1901 and 1911 (sorry if repeating this):
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Flora_Street/1216866/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Flora/221051/

Here is the marriage of Alfred "Lynas" to Martha Jemphrey at St. Anne's, Belfast, in 1887, while his father was recorded as William, the occupation (labourer) doesn't fit... but in the circumstances could that just be a cover?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10789/5934775.pdf

I haven't found Alfred's first marriage yet.

[aghadowey]

The April 1870 death registration says that he was the 2 year old son of a dressmaker, I imagine this is referring to his mother.  The informant of the death was a Lizzie Lynar, no relationship stated.
Consider the following as a possibility for Jonathon Joseph's birth, nearly two years earlier in May 1868 at Larne workhouse, born illegitimately to a mother named Elizabeth [something] Glover, the [something] could be Mary... or could it be King? Open to other opinions.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1868/03445/2265000.pdf

The mother's name is Elizabeth King Glover.

[gaffy]

Interesting, I thought "King" might be a possibility.  I have also just noticed that Alfred and Martha's first child Roland was born at their home in... Carrickfergus:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1887/02542/1940984.pdf