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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 06 October 10 19:27 BST (UK) »
David, 'fraid I cant help with the Armed Forces Board transfer of this topic, but tugging of forelock to the Moderator may help.

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 06 October 10 21:30 BST (UK) »
Ermy, thank you for that tip and thank you for the amount of effort you must have put into establishing the occupants of the household - my head hurts after doing that!  It's odd that William & Hannah are missing from the 1911 census; I even tried without putting anything into the location field but they seem to have left the country!  I haven't been able to find a death date for William but Hannah died in 1949.

So, in summary, these are the occupants of the same household in 1911:-

Walter (Head) - 21
Frances Mary -  (wife) - 25
Harry (brother) - 16
Roland (brother) - 14
Herbert (brother) - 10
George (brother) - 8
Lily (sister) - 6
Joseph Brymar (brother) - 4

As you can see, I found Lily but Florence is missing as are the older sisters (Ethel b. 1884 and Ada b. 1885)  Florence would be about 17 in 1911 and by that time,I think she was working in service.

I think really the best approach is to concentrate on who the soldier is, and then work out from there, who the rest are by their apparent ages in relation to his.

David
Wood - Knaresborough
Bickerdike - Knaresborough
Rawlings - London
Borrill - Lincolnshire
Crawford - Lincolnshire
Skipworth - Friskney, Lincolnshire
Tune - Lincolnshire
Grocock - Lincolnshire
Harness - Lincolnshire
Manton - Lincolnshire
Pogmore - Lincolnshire
Spriggs - Lincolnshire
Triffitt - Lincolnshire

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 06 October 10 21:39 BST (UK) »
James - Who's the moderator?  I think you have dropped enough hints (thank you) for the moderator to have noticed and they haven't responded.  He or she have their reasons I am sure.  Maybe it's because this is a mixed bag - identification of family members and identification of a soldier.  Perhaps the best bet will be for me to start a new thread with the soldier, under the appropriate section.

Thank you all for your help.  I will leave this open until I can find some concrete answers, in which case, I will provide updates for the benefit of others and of course in gratitude for your efforts, and then mark it closed.

Best wishes to you all,

David
Wood - Knaresborough
Bickerdike - Knaresborough
Rawlings - London
Borrill - Lincolnshire
Crawford - Lincolnshire
Skipworth - Friskney, Lincolnshire
Tune - Lincolnshire
Grocock - Lincolnshire
Harness - Lincolnshire
Manton - Lincolnshire
Pogmore - Lincolnshire
Spriggs - Lincolnshire
Triffitt - Lincolnshire

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 06 October 10 23:34 BST (UK) »
James - Who's the moderator?  I think you have dropped enough hints (thank you) for the moderator to have noticed and they haven't responded.  He or she have their reasons I am sure. 

HI David,

The main reason is that the moderator doesn't read every single thread!  ;D  If you need something moved, or wish to get the attention of a moderator for whatever reason, all you need to do is click on the "Report to Moderator" link at the bottom of one of the messages (not your own - it won't let you!) on a thread.

I see that you've started a new thread on the Armed Forces board which was a good idea, as they are best placed to help you ID your soldier.  Meantime, I'm going to move this thread over to the Photo Restoration and Dating board, as I feel you will get more help there with dating your photo.  I personally feel that the collars on the younger boys indicate a date earlier than WW1, but freely admit I'm not an expert on 20th century fashion, or men's fashion, or boy's fashion, or wars... ;D ;D ;D

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Prue


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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 07 October 10 00:10 BST (UK) »
Hello Prue,

Thank you for the response.  I thought the `report to moderator' link was to report someone if they were being offensive!   ;D  Can't imagine anyone on Rootschat beng offensive - such nice people!  Well, now I know what the link is for, thank you.

Best wishes,

David
Wood - Knaresborough
Bickerdike - Knaresborough
Rawlings - London
Borrill - Lincolnshire
Crawford - Lincolnshire
Skipworth - Friskney, Lincolnshire
Tune - Lincolnshire
Grocock - Lincolnshire
Harness - Lincolnshire
Manton - Lincolnshire
Pogmore - Lincolnshire
Spriggs - Lincolnshire
Triffitt - Lincolnshire

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 07 October 10 12:32 BST (UK) »
Hi David...I'm watching this thread with interest...I have Borrills from Lincolnshire too...would love to hear from you if you find any links to the Barton Upon Humber or Brigg Borrills...one line went to Durham then came to Hull.
Lovely photo to have 8)
Carol
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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 07 October 10 12:43 BST (UK) »
Just searching the 1911 census index for

William born Belchford c1848

finds

William BOVILL 63
with
Hannah 45

They appear to be in Knaresborough (Yorks) district!
Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days alive.

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 07 October 10 13:20 BST (UK) »
Pleased to meet you Carol.  Yes, the Borrills from Hull are related in some way and they have very similar names which often cause me confusion when searching for my line!  The Hull Borrills suffered some losses in WW1 I think.

As you will see from this thread, the photo is causing me a few headaches but I do believe I will get there in the end, especially with the help of all of these very knowledgable folk on here.

What would be brilliant though, is if another Borrill descendant had their own copy of this photo passed down to them - but their's had the names written on it! ;D

Geoff-E - nice work!  You have solved three puzzles for me!  One of the older Borrill daughters, Emma Jane Borrill b. 1875 married a Knaresborough man - James Henry Cooper in 1898.  I was strugglng to find a link between her and the family in Louth but now that you have found her parents, William & Hannah, in Knaresborough, this is the missing link, as it were.  Also, you have provided proof that William was still alive in 1911.  Lastly, I always wondered how my g. grandmother, Florence Borrill (daughter of Will & Hannah) in Louth, met my g. grandfather, who was from Knaresborough.  I think it's likely that she met him when visiting her sister in Knaresborough!  You did well to find him with such a bad transcription error.  `Bovill' indeed!   

So well done and thank you.

Ady, on the WW1 section identified the soldier's uniform as 1st South Midland Brigade Royal Field Artillary.  I've studied Roland Borrill's service records and he was certainly enlisted in that regiment.  Before I rename my soldier though, I need to fathom out if his brothers were in the same regiment.  I still have my heart set on this being John Thomas Borrill though because I am sure that the young girl is my g. grandmother, Florence and she was 16 yrs younger than Thomas but about five years older than Roland.  So currently, I am studying the service records of Borrills who served in WW1.  If only I could find service records for John Thomas apart from that single Attestation sheet.  It woud surely list his army career and possibly tell me if he enlisted in the S. Midland RFA when he returned form Africa/Australia.

If a soldier had earned medals for his service in a foreign army, would he be allowed to wear them on the uniform of the regiment he'd joined in this country?  Is it feasible that John T Borrill had come back from Africa and this was his WW1 enlistment photo?
Wood - Knaresborough
Bickerdike - Knaresborough
Rawlings - London
Borrill - Lincolnshire
Crawford - Lincolnshire
Skipworth - Friskney, Lincolnshire
Tune - Lincolnshire
Grocock - Lincolnshire
Harness - Lincolnshire
Manton - Lincolnshire
Pogmore - Lincolnshire
Spriggs - Lincolnshire
Triffitt - Lincolnshire

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Re: Borrill family from Belchford, Horncastle
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 07 October 10 13:33 BST (UK) »
Nice to meet another Borrill researcher :D...In 1881 census...my Mary Borrill is mistranscribed as "Boviell" worth noting.
My earliest Borrill is James b. 1776 in North Ormsby, Linc.
Carol
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