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[carolie]

Does anyone else have a connection with John Baynes born c1800 in Radwinter

[robesur]

The answer is that probably I do have a connection in that if he had a sister Sarah then she was my wife's 4GGrandmother.

The difficulty is in deciding who were the parent's of these
children. You do not give a reason for your enquiry, but you may, like me, have some difficulty in working out the Baynes/Baines family. They were mostly named as Baines in the register up to 1812 and Baynes after.

You give a date of birth c1800. There were two baptisms near that time, 1802 probably 29 Sep. but not clear and 7 Oct.1804, both of these are given parents John & Mary. There is no burial in the intervening period so do they have different parents, or did one die without it being recorded?

A John Baines married a Mary Hall in Radwinter 1 Nov 1793. I think that this John is probably the son of a Thomas and Ann Baines and was baptised 3 Dec.1775. A John Baines also married a Mary Rushforth in Radwinter 13 Dec.1774. As I can see no burial for a Mary in between I assume that these were two separate couples.

There was a steady stream of baptisms in Radwinter of children to John & Mary from 1775 until 1815. You can assume all those before 1793 belonged to the elder couple, but can you assume that those after all belong to the younger. Looking for a baptism of Mary Rushforth again there are two possibles, 15 Nov 1747 and 26 Aug.1764.  If she was the first then she has to be too old come 1800 to be the mother of a John. If the younger then if she was baptised as an infant then she was too young to marry in 1774. If however she was baptised as a young girl then it is quite feasible.

Perhaps you would now give me your thoughts  and rell me your connection.

[carolie]

Thanks for replying.

The John Baynes I am looking for married a Hannah Bradman and their children led to my late mother in law and I am hoping to find his parents. I have searcvhed the Essex on-line parish records but they only go up to the 1750-60s.
I will look at detail at your response and get back to you.

[carolie]

Hi
I have been over to Radwinter today and was hoping to see their Archivist, but he wasn't there but have spoken to him on the telephone and he is going to mail me all the research he has done on the Baynes in Radwinter, so hopefully that will answer at least some of my questions.
I believe that the John b.1804 is the one that I am looking for as his age at death and burial, from the Radwinter web-site, makes his birth 1804, but I could be wrong.
I too imagine their line to go back to Thomas Baines and Ann Mallyon but am hoping to have that confirmed. It is a pity that Essex didn't extend their web site to cover the years up to the beginning of the BMD.
If any of this would help your search let me know and I will send you the information when I receive it.

[robesur]

As well as the two John Baynes born in Radwinter there were a further 3 born in adjacent Wimbish around the same time, of which at least one married a Radwinter girl and another lived most of his married life in Radwinter.
You say that yours married Hannah Bradman and was buried in Radwinter. I have been unsuccessful in tracing this marriage or in finding this couple on any census around the area. There was a John Baynes who was buried 29 May 1867 age 64 who had married a Mary Francis nee Gowlett in 1852. He was a widower at the time of this marriage. Was a previous wife Hannah Bradman?

[carolie]

Have you seen the Radwinter website where the parish records have been posted from 1813. There you will see the BMDs of the Baynes in Radwinter?
The marriage I have found is on the IGI but Baynes is spelt as Beans. I sent for the Birth cert of John and Hannah's youngest child to get her maiden name. I know that the IGI isn't always correct but for now I am going with that.
John and Hannah are on the 1841 census living at Swans Radwinter with 3 children, Alfred, Arthur and William. He is also on the 1851 although he gives his birth as Wimbish, Hannah had died by this time, again you can get a record of her burial on the Radwinter site.
I was told yesterday that the Baynes family was one of the oldest in Radwinter, but as is always the case, they did stick to the same names and as you say that can be very confusing.
Hannah died in 1847 and John married Mary Francis 1852 as you say. He died in 1867

[robesur]

Yes that makes sense. I see that Hannah and John married in Helions Bumpstead and they were living at Radwinter End in 1841, (my transcription was incorrect and I had not previously found this family), which is nearer Helions village than Radwinter. My own family that lived in Radwinter End for many generations had a lot of Helions connections.

I was also put off by him claiming to come from Wimbish in 1851. It is quite possible that his father John was from Wimbish. There was a baptism in Wimbish in 1771 and one in Radwinter 1775, whilst there are two burials in Radwinter, 1832 age 56 and 1836 age 66, so I think that both lived in Radwinter. Unfortunately I do not know which was which and which one married Mary Halls. Thats assuming that this couple are his parents. Going by age at marriage I rather fancy the Wimbish one.

By the way the Radwinter web site has a transcription of the registers prior to 1812, but not as user friendly as those after 1812. Select 'Brownes Transcription' at the bottom.