Surety?

[c-side]

It's just knowing where to look as all this is fairly new to me.

Heather.

Most of the records (if they've survived) will be with Durham record office.  They have a website  www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk and an online catalogue.  It doesn't show actual records but gives an outline of what is contained within them.  There's an interesting one reference EP/CS 4/104 which includes information from the Overseers of the Poor about amounts paid to parishioners.  It also says that Chester-le-Street had a poorhouse which is interesting.

It's also informative to look at www.workhouses.org.uk  which says that the Chester-le-Street poorhouse had room for 100 people.  That's quite large for early workhouses pre 1834 (Poor Law Amendment Act).

Incidentally, even if you could find Isabella on 1841 it would not inlcude place of birth - that information is only available from 1851.  All you get from 1841 is whether a person was born within the county of residence.

Christine

[Hurley]

Thank's both of you,

You've been a real help.

[arnison]

I have traced the Dickinson tree back to Samuel Dickinson and Isabella Hartley, but am unable to go any further back. MY GGF was Matthew; GGGF ws John; GGGGF was Matthew who was Samuel & Isabella's Son. They seem to have had four children: Matthew; Margaret; Ann; & Mary.
Samuel died in CLS 18th January 1799 and is buried in Chester le Street St Marys and Cuthbert.
I am happy to share any information I have. I live in Durham City.
I understand you have traced the Dickinsons back to 1720 and I would greatly appreciate this information.

[c-side]

Hello Arnison and welcome to rootschat.

There's obviously nothing I can contribute as it's not my family - just wanted to say welcome.

If you live in Durham City then you are ideally placed for the record office - perhaps you and Heather can join forces and maybe follow up on the Poor Law records we've been talking about

Christine

[arnison]

I have a slot on 11th Oct at Durham Records Office and I will look up Samuel in the Workhouse reference.
If you have traced the family back to 1720 do you know who Samuel's parents were?

[Hurley]

Hi everyone that has helped me with Isabella Hartley's birth. I've had a breakthrough! I odrered the birth record for Samuel and Isabella's daughter Isabella from DROL. I realised she had been born after the death of Samuel in 1799 so wondered what her birth would reveal. All the other children's births just said son/daughter of Samuel Dickinson weaver by his wife Isabella but Isabella's said....Isabella Dickinson of Chester le Street born 3.8.1799 daughter of Samuel Dickinson weaver, native of Heworth, Deceased, by his wife Isabella Hartly native of Gateshead. Other records I ordered say Samuel's deceased children died of Smallpox so it could well be that Samuel died of smallpox also.

Thank's again C-side and Radcliffe for your help.

Heather.

[arnison]

Your latest update is really appreciated. Thank You.

[c-side]

Excellent news, Heather.

The detailed record you have is all down to a Bishop of Durham called Shute Barrington who was an amateur genealogist.  His instruction to his vicars was to inlcude this extra detail (often mother's maiden name and parentage as well!).  This continued until the standardisation of records in 1813.  A short period but oh so useful.

His statue sits in Durham Cathedral - I was there a week or so ago and said a quiet 'thank you' on behalf of us all 

Christine

[Hurley]

Hi, Did you unearth anything at the records office today?