1851 BETNALL GREEN please

[carol8353]

1851 next door, son Richard............

33 West Street,

Richard Durell head 25 silk weaver b Spitalfields
Susan wife 25                   "      b Bethnal Green
Susan dau 6 scholar                  b Spitalfields
Richard son 3                            b Poplar
Phoebe dau 2                           b   "        "
Sarah dau 1 mth                       b Bethnal Green.

Bryant what does this prove? That Abbott is really Richard??

Carol

[Bryant]

I think we have the right Durell family ("Abbot's" parents & siblings).....Richard being the eldest child in 1841 and he is quoted as being 15 in 1841 and 25 in 1851 hence he was born circa 1825...........5 years after his parents married in 1820...........so their should be more children?

"Abbot" would have been born circa 1820 the year his parents married or early 1821?..............he is stated as being 40 years old in 1861 which is the only census we have him on..............

In 1841 "Abbot" has flown the nest  and is out there in the big wide World calling himself  and taking the Micky out of us

Bryant

witnesseswitnesseswitnesses?

[Bryant]

Richard Durell as seen with wife Phoebe in 1841 is not "Abbot's" father..........he is his brother!...........he and his brother James must have bee the last? children of Richard & Mary who produced children from 1793-1822 (29 years!) and all were christianed at St Matthew's Bethnal Green..................I don't actually like the 29 year bit but what is definite is..............

1820
HABBIT (ABBOT) DURELL...born 15th April 1820...christianed 2nd July 1820....St Matthew Bethnal Green...........parents Richard & Mary
+ a brother
JAMES DURELL ...born 26th Oct 1822....christianed 17th Nov 1822....St Matthew Bethnal Green......parents Richard & Mary
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Bryant

[carol8353]

Well Bryant,

Who's a clever boy then? 

Now you say that,how about this birth.........

Habbit DURRELL in Bethnal Green Dec 1849 Volume 2 page 24.

Sue obviously isn't a sad genealogist like us is she..........not been online for over a day now 

Carol

[Bryant]

That looks a good cert for Sue's collection..............Habbit Habbit.....Habbit Habbit Habbit

In one of my earlier replies I found these..............
1841
GROSVENOR PLACE, ST MATTHEWS BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDX
RICHARD DURELL  30  WEAVER  YES
REBECCA     "        25                  YES
RICHARD     "         5                   YES
/
JOHN           "        32 WEAVER     YES
JAMES          "        18  LAB           YES
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James aged 18 appears to be the brother born 1822 of Habbit who was born 1820.................

the 1849 birth of Habbit holds the answer to Habbit (senior) in as much ....has he been married before he met Mary Ann Becraft or did they have children before they married in 1853?

Bryant

[SueB]

I feel really guilty that I have been away for a couple of days celebrating my birthday while you folk have been so diligently searching for "my" Abbot.

Wedding certificate:  Mary Ann Becraft is full age and her condition is Spn (presumably spinster).
The witnesses are John Becraft and Mary Ann Becraft.

I like the connection with beer because I have been told Abbott was at the White Swan ,24 Wappin Wall in 1855 and at the Earl of Chatham in 1859.  these came from Pubsindex but are not confirmed with the 1851 as there is an Elizabeth Dornay? as the licensed victualler at 24 Wappng Wall.

Also in 1876 there is a M A Durell, a beer retailer at 57 Great Green Street.

Thank you all for taking such an interest in this family.

SusB

[Bryant]

Sue

You are not excused..........   your profile shows your age as N/A

But if you can wangle another £7-00 out of someone you are going to need the 1849 birth cert of HABBIT DURELL

The possibility is that Abbot (Habbit) born 1820 had been married before he ever met Mary Becraft and whom he married in 1853......

Is it a coincidence that a HABBIT DURELL was born in Bethnal Green in 1849? the likelyhood is he is the son of Abbot and the cert will display where he is living and the maiden name of his wife

Bryant

[SueB]

Hi

I was just going to let you know that I have also been doing some work tonight!!

I've found 7 children belonging to Richard and Mary - Richard, Mary Elizabeth, John, Richard (do they replace the names when a child dies?) Sarah Hannah, HABBIT,James and John ...

Since I began this family's tree I have had a sheet of B,M,D's of Durell's and it has finally come into some use BUT it never would without your help.  I certainly would never have thought of HABBITT as ABBOT or even ABEL.

I did send for Habbit's and Mary Ann's birth certs when I got the parents marriage one. (No expense spared in this household) details as follows:-

19.09.1849 HABBIT. father Habbit Durrell,(laborer)mother Mury Durrell formerly Beacroft
8.06.1847 Mary Ann Clara, father Abbot Durrell(coal whipper) mother Mary Durrell formerly Beacroft
2 Apple Street, BG

So I think they must have been pretending to be married which must have been quite daring in those days - unless there is another marriage pre 1849.

[Bryant]

Sue

Methinks he wasn't married before he met Mary Ann (change of opinion) now that you have told of the two births pre 1853...........

Now...............if you had told us that before   
I could understand you wouldn't associate Abel........but HABBIT/ABBOT

Replacing a child's name because of death was a common occurence.......Iv'e seen the first three boys all given the same name .....as the first died ......... another and he died....then finally one that lived
It is rare....... but is far from unknown to have two living children with the same christian name in large families

Bryant