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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #36 on: Friday 10 November 06 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps Mary gave her surname as Mehrtens and the registrar couldn't spell it so he said oh s*d it lets have your maiden name  :P

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #37 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:08 GMT (UK) »
SueB

Don't order any certs yet............  ??? is leading to more  ???

It's official..............the plot HAS been lost...back to basics

Mary Ann Mehrtens (nee Becroft)
and
Mary Ann Bliss (Mehrtens)
are nothing to do with the family we are looking for.......are they  :-\

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #38 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Do we know who the witnesses were at the Durell/ Beecroft 1853 wedding?

Or have I missed that bit of this complicated saga  8)

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #39 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Waiting for SueB to supply them....requested yesterday

if we can find "ABBOT DURELL'S" birth circa 1850 (as per 1861 census) it can only help..............but is he Abbot and is he a Durell?

a few male Durell's were born 1848-1851 Middx.......obviously no Abbot
according to the marriage cert of 1853............Richard is Abel/Abbot's Durell's father.... their was a Richard Durell born Bethnal Green Dec qtr 1851 which doesn't appear likely as the person we are looking for was stated as being 11 in 1861....not impossible but unlikely

come in SueB  ;)

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #40 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Bryant on Friday 10 November 06 16:17 GMT (UK)


if we can find "ABBOT DURELL'S" birth circa 1850 (as per 1861 census) it can only help..............but is he Abbot and is he a Durell?


Bryant

He's a flipping nuisance thats what he is............. ::)

No I don't think he was born a Durrell.........but we have a variety of possible names he could have been born as.

Just been reading back over Sue's previous posts- and way back in 2005 she mentions having Eliza's birth cert........was she born a Durrell Sue?

Hmmmm not getting very far are we?

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #41 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Eliza was a Durell...(mothers maiden name Becraft)....aged 7 in 1861...they married in 1853

Now............if Mary Ann Becroft/Becraft/Beecroft was a widow when she married Abel Durell
1/ it should state widow on the 1853 marriage cert
2/ she should be findable in 1851 with another Becroft as a husband and at least two children "Abbot" aged 1 and Mary Ann aged 3
3/ her father wouldn't be a Becraft as stated on the marriage cert............. :'(
4/ Abbot the father Abbot the son.............it makes sense and therefore logical that the two older children are his and not Mary Ann's............and Mary Ann's father is a Becraft

SueB..............stop whatever you're doing and supply those witnesses before we go mad  :P ............Sue was last online at 9:42 yesterday evening  >:(

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Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: 1851 BETHNAL GREEN please
« Reply #42 on: Friday 10 November 06 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Maybe the poor girl is still at work  8)

I have trawled through every Abbott(except Russ  :P) born c 1850 on the 1851 census, but none have any of the surnames we have found so far.

And those people who have Smith or Brown in their trees think they have trouble  ;)

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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #43 on: Friday 10 November 06 18:43 GMT (UK) »
1793
RICHARD DURELL........BORN 1ST MAY 1793....CHRISTIANED 19TH JULY 1793....ST MATTHEWS BETHNAL GREEN.....PARENTS...RICHARD & MARY

SISTER...MARY ELIZABETH DURELL...BORN 23RD AUG 1794....CHRISTIANED 14TH SEPT 1794....AS ABOVE
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1820
RICHARD DURELL.....MARRIED....PHOEBE SMITH....28TH AUG 1820....ST DUNSTANS STEPNEY
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1841
GREAT GEORGE STREET, ST MATTHEWS BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDX
RICHARD DURELL  35  WEAVER   YES
PHOEBE         "      35        "         YES
RICHARD        "      15        "         YES
MATILDA         "      15        "         YES
PHOEBE         "       13        "         YES
WILLIAM        "       10                   YES
ANN                "       9                    YES
MARIA            "        6                    YES
JOHN             "         7 MONTHS     YES
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1841 rule applies ie 15-19=15

ABEL/ABBOT could be Richard.....then again he could have flown the nest?

1851....NOT AVAILABLE TO ME!

Sue...........witnesseswitnesseswitnesses

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Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: 1851 BETNALL GREEN please
« Reply #44 on: Friday 10 November 06 19:47 GMT (UK) »
1851 QUEUE CAROL  ;D ;D ;D

At The Flying Horse,32 West Street,Bethnal Green

RICHARD DURELL head 49 beer seller b Stepney
Phebe wife 49 b Shoreditch
Ann unm dau 20 b Spitalfields
Maria unm dau 16 b Bethnal Green
John 11 son scholar    b  "    "
Henry 8 son   "                    "         "

So who's Abbott???

Hope Sue can read the witnesses names  ;)

Carol

Edit..........just noticed son Richard is next door with his family. ;D
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