John Drake 1773, help needed!

[copperbeech5]

Hi,

I am seeking any information on John Drake, born aprox 1773 (age taken from 1841C) born in Bloomsbury Middlesex.

His first wife was Maria Storey (Story) on 7 Dec 1805 in Camden Middlesex. No details known.

His second wife was Elizabeth Lane, born 17 Oct 1784 in Rutland. They are described as widow and widower, and marry on 17 July 1811 at St Mary's in Portsea Hants. John is described as a Stage coach driver.  They later have 8 children, one of whom is Thomas Carter Lane Drake, born 27 June 1819.

Any help on John, and his marriages, or where he comes from, Maria, etc etc, any help SO much appreciated!


Many thanks in advance,
Copperbeech5

[gothitjulie]

7 Dec 1805, St George Bloomsbury

John Drake Esquire of this Parish Batchelor and Maria Story of the Parish of St Andrew Holborn in the County of Middlesex Spinster
Were married in this Church by Licence this Seventh Day of December
in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred & five by me A.P.Poston Curate
This Marriage was solemnised between us: John Drake, Maria Storey
In the Presence of: Geo. Story, Matt White

Bride, Groom & witnesses all signed, John Drake used Esquire so would be a gentleman with some money.

I can't find John Drake's baptism in St George Bloomsbury (parish register search), St Andrew Holborn (IGI P batch numbers), or, St Giles In The Fields (parish register search) (the three big churches in the locality). There are Drake family baptisms at St Andrew Holborn around that time. There is a John Drake baptised at St Martin In The Fields in 1775, which is very close.

Maria Story isn't listed in St Andrew Holborn IGI listings, but there are lots of Story family baptisms around that time in there.

There is a submitted entry in the IGI for a Maria Story, wife of John Drake & the marriage entry listed correctly. Maria's birth is listed at 17 Nov 1783, & her father as George (same as one of the marriage witnesses). There is also a submitted entry for Maria's birth at the same date at Silkworth Hall, Durham, but it also says her death date is in 1876. If there's any truth in any of this submitted information you'll need to dig for it, but I'd be very sceptical about it being correct.

[Valda]

Hi

7th December 1805 St George, Bloomsbury Middlesex
John Drake Esquire of this parish Bachelor and Maria Story of the parish of St Andrew Holborn Middlesex Spinster were married by licence
Both signed
Witnesses Geo Story and ?


Esquire would indicate that this man is a gentleman


15th October 1818 St George, Bloomsbury born 12th June 1816
Caroline Drake parents John and Maria, Everett Street St George Bloomsbury, father's occupation Deputy Commissary General

also baptised on the same day at the same church her sister

Charlotte Augusta Drake born 30th April 1818


1851 census HO107 1498 folio 702
Vendome? Cottage St Pancras Middlesex
John Drake 68 Head Married Commissary General Exmouth Devon
Maria Drake 67 Wife Married Sunderland
Charlotte A Drake 32 Daughter Middlesex
Alice Drake 9 Granddaughter East Indies
Lucy Drake 7 Granddaughter East Indies
Reginald Drake 6 Grandson East Indies
Perry Drake 4 Grandson East Indies

John Drake died in 1867 and was buried in Highgate cemetery. His will left effects of under £14,000. One of the executors was his son William Henry Drake of Dublin.


Since Thomas Carter Lane Drake firstly married in Newark registration district in 1840 are these his parents on the 1841 census?

1841 census HO107 868/3 folio 13
Northgate Newark upon Trent Nottinghamshire
John Drake 65 Publican not born Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Drake 55 not born Nottinghamshire
one female servant
Adults on the 1841 census, those over 15, usually have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5.



Regards

Valda

[copperbeech5]

Hi gothitjulie & Valda,

Well what a wonderful surprise!  Thank you so much.  Not at base at the moment, so will study in detail tonight!

But Well done  to you both, and huge thanks!


Regards
Copperbeech5

[Valda]

Hi Copperbeech5


I think the information contained in gothitjulie's post is very similar and reaching the same conclusion that there seems a mismatch of families here and a strong divide of class between them. They are unlikely to be connected.


THOMAS CARTER DRAKE
Christening:  04 JUL 1819   Quarrington, Lincoln
Father:  JOHN DRAKE 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

Marriages Dec 1840 DRAKE  Thomas Carter Lane    Newark  15 1035   
Marriages Dec 1853   Drake  Thomas Carter Lane     Mansfield  7b 135
Deaths Dec 1903  DRAKE  Thomas Carter L  84  Leicester  7a 148


1851 census HO107 2124 folio 142
Ratcliff Gate Mansfield Nottinghamshire
Thomas Drake 31 Head Married Butcher Sleaford Lincolnshire
Jane Drake 29 Wife Married Southwell Notts
Thomas Drake 6 Son Newark Notts
Elizabeth Drake 4 Daughter Newark Notts


Regards

Valda

[copperbeech5]

Dear gothitjulie, and Valda,

Firstly I am so sorry to miss gothitjulie of my first vote of thanks, I was so excited to read the reply (and not at base) and I read it fast, and didn't concentrate, but thank you too!

I have just inherited this family folder  so in honesty I am feeling my way with it to begin with, working from someone else's notes is a bit scary!

I agree I think we have 2 lots of things going on, and yes that is my lot in the 1841C.  But on Baptism records they are all over the shop, (will try and look those out tomorrow)  But was very interested to hear from gothitjulie that there are a good few Drake baptisms in the relevant London area, because that I am sure is my JD.

Thanks again, I am going to confir with another relly tomorrow (I hope) so will try to be a bit more helpful!

Thanks again.
Copperbeech5

[gothitjulie]

Personally I wouldn't be too pleased to find my ancestors were around that area of London, it's a complete pain for genealogy because of records being held at either LMA (online images at Ancestry), Westminster Archives (not online), or still with the church (e.g. St Giles In The Fields), & much of it just hasn't been indexed.

I too have families who were in these bits of London/Middlesex around that time & I seem to spend most of my time trying to find them. Doesn't help that the area is the same today as it was then...i.e. people move around a lot & it's densely populated.

During the 18th & 19th century, the population was increasing rapidly, so you'll find that parishes became subdivided over time (St George Bloomsbury is an example, opened in 1730 as Bloomsbury was built up, it had been part of St Giles In The Fields).

Also, it's worth checking Endell Street Laying In Hospital for baptisms as it served both St Andrew Holborn & St Giles In The Fields parishes, & records baptisms in its own right from around 1750 (before that they were also recorded in the churches in batches every few months).

There are also Drake family baptisms at St Giles In The Fields during the 1750s, so you make find http://nibbla.webs.com/ useful at some stage.

[Valda]

Hi

Not sure how your Hampshire/Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire Drake family tie in with the 'London family' of John Drake esquire or as yet with London?


Thomas Carter Lane Drake's line

JOHN DRAKE
ELIZABETH LANE 
Marriage:  17 JUL 1811   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

Widow and widower


THOMAS CARTER DRAKE 
Christening:  04 JUL 1819   Quarrington, Lincoln
Father:  JOHN DRAKE   
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

possible second baptism or different Thomas - Sleaford is the birthplace given for Thomas Carter Lane Drake (butcher) on censuses

THOMAS DRAKE
Christening:  16 NOV 1821   New Sleaford, Lincoln
Father:  JOHN DRAKE 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 


sibling

MARY ANN DRAKE
Christening:  26 JAN 1817   Quarrington, Lincoln
Father:  JOHN DRAKE 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 
buried 17th December 1818 Quarrington infant

 

Meanwhile in London John Drake esquire married Maria in Bloomsbury and had two daughters baptised there

Known children

John Minshall Drake 1810 Cheriton Kent (father of the 1851 census 'grandchildren' Captain in 46th Regiment)
Caroline Drake 1816
Charlotte Augusta Drake 1818
William Henry Drake (executor of father's will)

William Henry Drake looks to be this man

'William Henry Drake  born Coimbra, Portugal 1812- Died London 1882. Was Commissariat of the British Army and was stationed in Western Australia from 1830-1848 and in Hobart from 1848-1850. He married Louisa Purkis in Perth, Australia.'

He secondly married Elizabeth Lucy ? a much younger wife who was born at the Cape of Good Hope and on his death left a will which indicated he had been knighted and was Sir William Henry Drake K.C.B.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/35932591?selectedversion=NBD10127167&c=collection

His father John Drake was from Devon (1851 census) and was still married to his wife Maria who was from County Durham on the 1851 census.



I think you might have to unpick what you have inherited very carefully starting from what is known and proved, even if that means coming back into the C20th and then step by step going back each generation.



Regards

Valda

[copperbeech5]

Hi  to you both,

To gothitjulie,
thanks so much for all your info, if indeed it is my family, then I shall be very grateful for the info, as I will be right out of my depth with London!

To Valda,
I do take your point,and you may well be right.  I had hoped to meet with a relly today, who is also woring on a variation of our tree, but we were unable to liase, so I doubt that will now happen for a week.

But, I do so appreciate your help both of you!

Best wishes,
Copperbeech5