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Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« on: Monday 20 September 10 21:30 BST (UK) »
James Howard is listed in the census as living on and off throughout the years as living in Rope Walk, Ipswich.

As a starting point he can be found (1861 - Doing this from memory  ???) as living with his son Richard. He has a house maid/servant called Lucy French, who I think comes into existance 1871 census.

His wife goes off the radar, and he sets up shop with Lucy, and fathers Edgar, Walter, Emma, James, Nellie and Agnes. The children sometime take the name French Howard, or are sometime listed as plainly French or plainly Howard.

Emma was my ggrandmother, Lucy and James my gx2 grandparents.

I have tried and failed to find any reference to James "proper" marriage, thus allowing me to go back on that side.

Can anyone help please?

Julie :)


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Re: Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 September 10 22:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Julie
James Howard, wife Eliza,Ellen and Alfred Howard and dau in law Fanny Cross are living at Rope Walk Ipswich in 1871. Hope this is correct family. Rg10/1753  116/24
In 1881 James is indeed living with Lucy French.
I take it James Howard married Eliza Cross, most likely a second marriage,
There is an entry on Freebmd for a marriage OND 1864 Ipswich  4a 1303, there are three names on page , one of them James Howard and presumably one missing.
If you look at actual images OND 1864 there is a marriage for an Eliza Cross ,Ipswich, same reference 4a 1303.
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 Cathy :)
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Re: Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 September 10 20:02 BST (UK) »
Cathy,

Grateful thanks for the info.

Unfortunatley this isn't the right one.... To many James Howards around I'm afraid.

James is living with Mary and Richard in Rope Walk. That's my one.

Problem still remains, but thanks for looking.

Julie ;D

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Re: Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 September 10 12:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Julie,
Sorry about that , is this them in 1871?
Dove Lane Ipswich Rg10/1756  67/9

James Howard   head  mar    24  Fishmonger  Ipswich, Suffolk.
Mary A  "            wife    mar   26                       Harwich, Essex
Richard C "         son               2                       Ipswich, Suffolk

1881 21, Rope Walk, Ipswich 
James Howard  head mar 38
Lucy French  housekeeper  s 27
Richard Howard   son               12

There is a marriage on Freebmd for a James Howard and same page Mary Ann Cleveland    Ipswich Dec1867 4a 1329.
Looking at further censuses its possible they seperated and neither James or Mary Ann married their other partners  ie Lucy and (possibly) Frederick Cross? As you say there are a few James Howards and Mary Ann Howards.
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Re: Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 September 10 20:59 BST (UK) »
Cathy,

Thanks for this. I've ordered the certificate and had a quick look on a couple of sites for this . It looks like the one.

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Re: Howard family of Rope Walk, Ipswich
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 October 10 21:14 BST (UK) »
Ipswich Journal  1st June 1895
A Drunken Father Sent To Prison
   A hawker, named James Howard, residing in Rope Walk, was charged by Inspector Luff, N.S.P.C.C., with wilfully neglecting his seven children. – Mr A.F Vulliamy prosecuted on behalf of the N.S.P.C.C., and explained that the defendant cohabited with a woman, and had seven illegitimate children. -  Lucy French, with whom the defendant lived, stated that the children ranged from 15 years to one year and nine months. The eldest girl earned 6s per week, and worked overtime, of which she gave witness 4s per week, and 5s when her father was in drink. The next, a boy, paid her 4s a week. Witness could not work her sewing machine, because the defendant smashed it with a stick, saying that he did it so that she should not earn any money by it. He had been constantly in drink during the last nine weeks, and she had only received 4s in money from him. Some weeks ago her daughter Ellen, aged seven, was ill with measles, when the defendant came home and abused witness so much that he frightened the child, who ran out of doors and caught a chill, which made her so ill that she was admitted to The Hospital. Defendant could earn good wages when he liked. Witness had to pawn linen to get food, as the children could not get sufficient. – Ellen Davis, a neighbour, gave evidence as to the defendant’s drunken habits. She had given his children food, because they wanted it. They had no shoes. – Agnes French, aged 12, one of the defendant’s children, stated that she not had enough to eat lately. On one occasion her father came home, took her dinner from her, and ate it himself. – Emma French, the eldest daughter, stated that the defendant would come home drunk and lie on her bed, and she consequently had to sit up. – Sergt. Nunn, who had known defendant for 20 years, spoke to defendant’s character, as did also Police Constable Garnham. – Inspector Luff said the children were pale and weak, and defendant was sentenced to two months’ imprisonment, with such hard labour as the medical officer of the prison thought fit.