Young family of Daniel BULL

[Riccardo66]

Heather, my connection is:
Daniel Bull & Susanna O'Shaughnessy
George Marcus Bull & Eliza Musgrave
Marcus Gordon Bull (my grandfather)

[hwlambert]

son Daniel was alive in 1885 and he was awarded his father's admin papers after his death but that is all I have.
Isabella is probably the unnamed daughter born in 1862. I did not have her name. I will have to research further.
I thought that the second son of Susanna was Edwin Massy Bull but I could be wrong as I have not found any more information on him.
I am related through Daniel snrs brother John Bull
Cheers

[Jamjar]

I will try to get out to Rookwood to see if there is a headstone on his grave.

I have checked the Rookwood Headstone Inscription disc and there in nothing for Daniel.

Jamjar

[hwlambert]

thanks Jamjar, no money in the family so probably an unmarked grave.
Heather

[Riccardo66]

Hi Heather,
Getting back to your original post.....
I know that after Susanna passed, George Marcus was raised by his Aunt Ellen Massey O'Shaughnessy in Sydney. Ellen was dearly loved by George Marcus, and as a result, the name Massey is used in two of his daughters names.
I am still trying to discover what happened to Edward/Edwin.
Susanna and Ellen's Parents were Mark Terry O'Shaughnessy and Jane Massey of Limerick, Ireland. I found this interesting article about Susanna and Ellen's brothers, Mark and George Hamilton which you may be interested in.
http://limerickslife.com/oshaughnessy-brothers-journey-to-australia-1863/
I have asked Sharon Slater (author of the article) if she can provide any more information about the family.
Cheers

[hwlambert]

Thanks for that Riccardo, I did not know that.
I have just had Marilyn Wood send her timeline for Charles Bull and family and she thinks that Edward/Edwin was actually brought up by his grandparents Charles and Jane in Tasmania. I have no proof of this but it is a good starting point for research. Will check out the story.
Heather

[hwlambert]

Riccardo, I found this report in NSW Police Gazette, 4 Nov 1891, page 368.

Edwin Bull missing from his home, 33 Irving Street, since the 12th ultimo - Edwin Bull, 14 years of age, black hair, dark eyes, freckled face, dressed in dark coat and gray trousers.

Could this be our Edwin Massy Bull? Does the address ring any bells for you?

Cheers, Heather

[Riccardo66]

Great sleuthing Heather. How did you find that?
I found a record of Ellen M. O'Shaughnessy and her brother Frederick J. living at 33 Irving St in 1888. Frederick J. also has his profession listed as 'carriage builder', which was also his father's profession. So definitely looks like the correct Edwin.
OK so how do I find out if he was found? Do you know if there are case files available? Does 'missing since the 12th' mean 12th of October? If it does, and the gazette is dated 4th November, that seems a long time to be missing
I am saddened as this may be the reason I cannot find a grave for Edwin (if he was never found).
Richard

[hwlambert]

yes October 1891. I found the info on Ancestry.
Just a note: Edwin's half brother Charles William Bull died around October 1891 in Broken Hill and Edwin went missing in October 1891, coincidence or is it possible Edwin went to Broken Hill? There was a mining engineer Edwin Bull in Broken Hill but he was there in 1890 so that is not the one we want.
Have been checking newspaper articles but nothing more on Edwin so far. At 14 he would have been able to work so possibly did not come before the courts if he was found.

Thanks for the info on the O'Shaughnessy's, I didn't have that.
Cheers Heather