Young family of Daniel BULL

[Jamjar]

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Jamjar

[hwlambert]

Daniel Bull married Susanna Jane Massy O’Shaunassay (28) in Victoria on 7 February 1874
Witnesses William Bull and Edward Bull.  Daniel was a widow with 3 living children.  He was 32, a commercial traveller and was living at 34 Bartley St, Carlton.  Susanna was born in Limerick Ireland to Mark O’Shaunassey and Jane Massy, so the children were given their mother's maiden name.
This was in the Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 21 March 1874
BULL-O'Shaughnessy - February 7, at Melbourne, by the Rev. Mr. Bird. Daniel G. Bull, Esq., of Melbourne, to Susie J. Massey, second daughter of the late Mark Terry O'Shaughnessy esq of Limerick City, Ireland.
Heather

[Riccardo66]

Hi Jamjar,

As far as I can tell all the correct boxes have been ticked.
 

[Riccardo66]

I can see from the death notice in the newspaper that Daniel Bull d. 1885 is definitely my Daniel as Susanna O'Shaugnessy is mentioned (as are two sons). So that is a little closure. I will try to get out to Rookwood to see if there is a headstone on his grave.
It makes sense now that there was no headstone on Susanna O'Shaunessy's grave as Daniel had no money, being declared insolvent shortly after her death. Sounds like pretty tough times.
I am also curious as to what happened with the other children, both Edward, and the children with Janet Carpenter.

Richard

[hwlambert]

Susanna Bull was buried 25 March 1880 at St Kilda Cemetery; Church of England, Compartment D, Grave 497 but I do not know if there is a headstone. This info was online, just look up St Kilda Cemetery records. Daniel should be at Rookwood but again I don't know if there is a headstone.
Cheers Heather

[Riccardo66]

Hi Heather,

I did visit the grave site several years ago. That's how I know there isn't a headstone.

Cheers,
Richard

[hwlambert]

Thanks Riccardo, who are you related through?
 Daniel Bull married Janet Amelia Carpenter (17) in Launceston Tasmania on 01 Feb 1862    parents William Carpenter 1808 & Sarah Weaver 1817. They had 3 children.

1.   Female born; 10 Sep 1862 Launceston, Tasmania, Australia; parents given name not recorded; parents Daniel Bull & Janet Amelia Carpenter (probably stillborn or died young, can’t find a death notice) she is not Beatrice Amelia Bull born 13 Mar 1860 Launceston; dau of William Bull & Elizabeth Ann Jordan who died of croup in 1861 aged 1. Her father is listed as a publican.
2.   Charles William W.W. Bull; Born; 1864, Melbourne, Victoria; father Daniel Bull mother Janet Carpenter.
3.   Daniel John Bull born 1866 in Melbourne, Victoria, his mother died shortly after his birth; parents Daniel Bull & Janet Amelia Carpenter.

I have not found out what happened to the surviving children after Daniel died but will start looking again.

I am not sure what information you have so perhaps you could ask questions to make sure we don't duplicate info. I do have some more information so will put it together in the next few days.

[hwlambert]

son Charles William Bull
1864 Born; 1864, Melbourne, Victoria; Charles William Bull; father Daniel Bull mother Janet Carpenter
1885 Married; 23 Dec 1885 at Newtown, NSW; to Ada Mary Jane Lomas 1869–1925
1887 Children; Briscoe Daniel Bull 1887–; Lillian Maude Bull1888–;
1890 Court case; An order was made at the Newtown Police Court this morning for 15s a week against Chas. Bull for the support of his wife, Ada Bull.
1890 Central Police Court; At the Central Police Court yesterday morning Ada Bull summoned Charles Bull for maintenance.
1891 Assault: Charles Bull, 27, a canvasser, was charged with unlawfully assaulting Ada Bull, and was sentenced to one month's hard labour.
1891 Died; At Broken Hill, Charles William Bull, late of Marrickville, of pleurisy, aged 27 years.

Ada and the children struck hard times after Charles abandoned them and on 28 Sep 1893 Briscoe Daniel Bull (6) and Lillian Maude Bull (5) were admitted to the Randwick Asylum for Destitute Children in NSW by their mother who was unable to care for them. Their mother Ada remarried around 1894 to Charles Morgan and the children were discharged back to her on 19 July 1894.

[Riccardo66]

Thanks Heather for the info on Charles William Bull.
I checked Janet (Carpenter) Bull's death certificate and it lists three children:
Isabella (3 y.o.)
Charles (1 y.o.), and
Daniel (2 months old).

Do you know what happened to Isabella and Daniel?