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Young family of Daniel BULL
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 04:22 BST (UK) »
Can anyone tell me what would have happened to young children after their parents died.  I am looking for 2 young children of Daniel and Susannah (O'Shaunghassey) Bull, George Marcus b.1876 and Edwin Massy b.1878 both in Victoria.  Their mother died in 1880 in Victoria and their father died in 1885 in Sydney.  I would like to know where to look to find out where the children went after the death of their mother and if they went with their father, what happened to them after their father's death.

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 September 10 05:05 BST (UK) »
There is this death reg in NSW with a George Marcus BULL noted as the father

5738/1939     
BULL George Maurice
Father George Marcus  Mother Eliza Jane
District Newtown 

and this marriage

7931/1901     
BULL George M
MUSGRAVE  Eliza J
District Woonona

and their are four children to this couple to 1909.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

and George Marcus's death
20750/1932     
BULL George M
Father Daniel  Mother Susan
District Kogarah 

Australian Electoral Roll  1930  NSW
BULL Eliza Jane 385 Forst Road, Kingsgrove  HD
BULL George Marcus  385 Forest Road, Kingsgrove  Pharmacist

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 September 10 06:06 BST (UK) »
There is a Funeral Notice for George Maurice BULL d 1939.  He is buried at Baptist Cemetery, Woronora.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17546905?searchTerm=george+bull

There is a death notice on p16 of the same paper.  His mother Eliza Jane is still alive but George Marcus Bull is deceased. The notice lists his brothers and sisters.  He was only 26.  :(

Notice for George Marcus BULL

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16942054?searchTerm=george+marcus+bull

Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 September 10 06:12 BST (UK) »
Death notice for Susanna Massy BULL
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5980305?searchTerm=daniel+bull
Note that there is a request for Sydney and NZ papers to copy....perhaps there was family in Sydney who helped care for George Marcus and Edwin Massy. 

Insolvency notice for a Daniel BULL in 1880
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5959576?searchTerm=daniel+bull



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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 September 10 06:26 BST (UK) »
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George Marcus b.1876 and Edwin Massy b.1878 both in Victoria.

There doesn't appear to be a  birth reg in Victoria for an Edwin Massy BULL in 1878.  May I ask where you sourced this info?  I see that Daniel was born in Tasmania and he and Susanna b. Limerick were married in Vic in 1874.  Of course the birth may not have been registered.

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 September 10 07:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your swift replies.
Edwin Massy is listed on the death certificate of Susannah Massy Bull in 1880 as one of 2 children. 

Daniel's marriage to Susannah was his second and he had 3 children to his first wife Janet who died in 1866 in Melbourne.  I have found 2 of these children Beatrice and Charles William but not a third.

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 September 10 09:11 BST (UK) »
You  may already have these notices but just in case....and Daniel's death notice also mentions two young sons.  Edwin's birth wasn't registered.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13607015?searchTerm=daniel+bull

and funeral notice

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13604313?searchTerm=daniel+bull

There are also death notices for Daniel's first wife.

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 September 10 09:30 BST (UK) »
I guess you have assumed that this unnamed female is Beatrice

BULL Name Not Recorded   Female
Father/ Daniel  Mother Janet Amelia CARPENTER
10 Sep 1862
Registered at Launceston Reg#347/1862

1864 birth of Charles in Vic and then Janet Amelia's death.  I wonder if Janet Amelia died in 1866 when the third child may have been born?   Have you Janet Amelia's death certificate?

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Re: Young family of Daniel BULL
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 September 10 22:49 BST (UK) »
thanks Cando,
I now have the newspaper records.  I also think that Janet may have died in childbirth, but unfortunately I have not yet got her death cert.
Cheers, Heather