Offer: Derbyshire Parish records

[Derbysderek]

Hi Chris...the Birth Certificate does indeed include the Mother's maiden name...but this is nowhere recorded except on that very Certificate..which needs to be purchased..the cheapest way of doing which.will cost £10.00 ish......do NOT purchase it through Ancestry of FindMyPast..it is vastly over-priced..get it from the appropriate Registration District direct.
The Parish record for the birth of Jane Maria.which I have seen at Matlock...gives simply Jane and Sarah Bowden as parents.....but freebies don't include Certificates.

Derek

[FarrandFamilyTree]

Hi,

I've hit a wall with my research into my Farrand Family Tree. The farthest I can trace back on my paternal line is to Francis Farrand b 1880. Census records indicate that he was born/ from Glapwell and I have a record from familysearch.org of a christening in the Bolsover parish records on 21st October 1780. There's no other information there, other than his Father's name (also Francis) and a Mothers first name of Anne. I can find a marriage in 1764 for Francis, marrying a Mary Hodgkinson on the 2nd March in 1764 also in Bolsover.

Would it be possible to do a look up on these records, and alternatively, do you happen to know if it's possible to get original images for these registers to see if I can do some transcribing, as there are very limited resources for this and the Scarsdale hundred online.

Many thanks in advance.

Sarah Farrand

[Kitty6]

Hello Derek
I have just discovered this forum and am hoping your kind offer about look-ups in Derbyshire PRs is still 'on', as I am interested in knowing what the original registers may say about certain spellings.

I am researching the COWLEY family who lived in Ashover in the 16th & 17thC. The early PRs were destroyed in the Civil War but I have been able to piece things together using wills & other docs back to Robert who died in 1584.
I am now on a mission to try to discover whether there is a link between the many early Cowleys in Gloucestershire & those in Derbyshire. Searching recently for Cowleys in Gloucestershire took me to several intriguing entries from the ECKINGTON entries at Family Search.

I don't know if my questions are due to abbreviations with which I'm not familiar or errors/difficulties in transcription from the original handwritten register entries.

I am particularly interested in the names:
- Mary COWLEY AB DARY, &
- Robert COWLEY AB SARDUS

Both came up in a search (in FamilySearch) for Cowleys in Gloucestershire, but actually relate to a christening in Eckington, Derbyshire, as follows:
Name: Mary Cowley Ab Dary 
Christening Date: 06 Apr 1666  Eckington, Derbyshire
Father's Name: Robert Cowley Ab Sardus

What could Ab Dary & Ab Sardus mean? Is it really ‘Ab’ or perhaps a misreading of ‘Al’ for ‘Alias’?

I'm also interested in
- Robte COWLEY OR DARBY
- Easter COWLEY ABS DAEY, &
- Robert COWLEY OR DAVY
as follows:

Name: Cowley Or Darby
Christening: 05 Oct 1662 Eckington, Derbyshire
Father's Name: Robte Cowley Or Darby 

Name:  Easter Cowley Abs Daey
Gender:                Female
Death Place:      Eckington, Derbyshire
Burial Date:        12 Jul 1677

What could Abs Daey mean?

Name:     Robert Cowley Or Davy
Christening:     04 Sep 1653  Eckington, Derbyshire
Father's Name:     Robte Cowley Or Davy

Could Davy just be a misreading of the handwritten Dary?

If you have anything in your records or could offer any suggestions that could answer my questions, I should be most grateful to hear from you.
Best wishes for 2015!
 

[Derbysderek]

Hello Kitty..and a very Happy New Year........
I am..like everybody else, working from other people's interpretations of what they have read on any originals.......I have spent many a long hour on original records ,with varying degrees of legibility or the opposite, and often you have to rely on gut feelings, or likelihoods based on commonsense.
This is legitimate for us researchers, as long as what we pass on is clearly stated as "best guesss"....

Depending as i am on other peoples transcriptions, i would suggest you work along the following guidelines..........the two names are Cowley..and Darby.......there are no other variations in the Eckington records............"Abs" is simply a misreading, or a mis-spelling of "Alias"

For instance the Burial of EASTER COWLEY 12.07.1677 is followed by..."al.....ias Darby"

I'm sure your information is correct, though i can only go back to 1664...from whence the records are more or less complete through to 1813..........with a continuous and lengthy set of COWLEYS.

There only appear three DARBYS between 1669 and 1683..all Burials and all Elizabeth Darby....so i have no idea at this stage where the darby connection lies...........but I'll keep looking for a bit.
I would also suggest that "Robert Ab Sardus"..may be Robert Alias Darby

All the best

Derek.

Addition Friday........I'm currently reading about Jasper Tudor.the uncle of Henry VII..........and am having to plough through his Welsh genealogy...........much of which is "ap Meredudd...or ap Gynedd"........."ap" being very definitely."son of"............but every now and again it is written "ab"...which apparently is a regional variation with the same meaning...........was just thinking that your Gloucestershire links could at some point have Welsh origins........."ab" could easily be "son of".

[glyn24]

Hi Derek
Hope you are still doing these lookups.
Looking for the marriage of Edwin crossley and ann ball. They married in belper in the 1st quarter of 1853 (freebmd). I’m looking for their fathers names in particular, I have edwins dad as Thomas and anns dad as William, although I’m not sure about anns dad. Any help would be much appreciated, many thanks, Glyn.

[Derbysderek]

Hello Glyn..yep I'm still at it..but mainly by EMail or on Genes Reunited........Your enquiry is slightly complicated by the fact that EDWIN CROSSLEY was non-conformist...

He was born 14.01.1829 and baptised 01.03.1829 at Wesleyan Chapel Cromford Circuit..son of Thomas Crossley and Harriet (Harriott) nee Cathness who were married 09.03.1825...

ANN BALL was born 12.07.1828 and baptised 10.08.1828 daughter of William and Sarah.

The Crossley side of the equation are from Tansley/Crich according to successive Censuses..but do not appear in either of the two appropriate parish records...simply because of the Wesleyan connection.
However, two daughters of Thomas and Harriet..i.e. brothers of Edwin WERE married at Tansley:-

Eliza Crossley 25.12.1846 to Henry Bartlett
Emma Crossley 07.05.1868 to Joseph BALL (!)..

I have pretty well all there is to know about the Crossleys..have yet to really study the Balls..

Alwayshere if you need anymore............or send me your EMail by pM.

Derek.

[glyn24]

thanks for that derek
thats a bit to keep me going. looks like i'll have to order marriage cert to be sure of anns father,
cheers, Glyn

[Derbysderek]

Glyn..there won't be a Birth Certificate in 1828..the Marriage Certificate for 1853 will give her father's name and his Occupation. We know his name is William.his occupation will hep tie down  WHICH William....I'll see if i can find him on the 1851/1861 Census......with his Occupation....

[glyn24]

Derek
i cant find him (william) on any 1841 or 1851 censuses, which leads me to believe he either died before 1841 or he seperated from his wife for some reason. i have william married to a sarah hibbert on 12 aug 1824 in tansley critch. i think sarah was born in dronfield, christened 5 nov 1800, parents are abraham hibbert and sarah raisen. in the 1841 census for tansley theres a ann ball age 11 living with sarah sellors and charles sellors. sarahs age is given as 35, charles is 25. in the 1851 census, anns still with charles and sarah, but now theres an ellen ball with them. sarah is 50, ann is 22 and ellen is 18. what i cant understand is why ellen isnt on the 1841 census if shes 18 in 1851.
Glyn