Offer: Derbyshire Parish records

[brokentypewriter]

Ah, I'm an ejit. I've been so busy following the Mary Fox line in Derbyshire, I forgot that Bradfield comes under the Yorkshire parish records, under Fenney.

The name chops and changes. I have been trying to see if there is a link to known Derbyshire Finney/Fynney/Fenney.

Mary Fox's mother was Mary Pole from Park Hall, so quite a bit of information on both Fox/Pole side but the Fenney side....?

[Jopeg]

In that case Derek, can you find a Joseph Shaw born 1771 in Chapelry of Bradfield, place is taken from his marriage certificate, age from death cert and 1841 census, may have brother or father called William.

Or tell me where I should look.

Please.

 

[Derbysderek]

Hi Jopeg............it appears that the Chapelry of Bradfield is in the Parish of ECCLESFIELD, six miles from Sheffield. Yet elsewhere there is a statement that Bradfield id the largest PARISH in the country.......which is very confusing......

However I have looked at the Ecclesfield Parish records and the nearest I can get to an answer for you is:

JOSEPH SHAW baptised 09.06.1771....William Shaw baptised 20.04.1777...........both sons of John Shaw.
There is also a William son of William 05.06.1763
Derek.

[Derbysderek]

Brokentypewriter.....................I refer you in part to the message above i sent to Jopeg.....

Your marriage of William Fenney to Mary Fox does appear........but only as a submitted entry on IGI...as having taken place at Bradfield.

There are some records of events at Bradfield rather than at Ecclesfield..Bradfield does have its own church..even thought the Parish is Ecclesfield...........There is no marriage at Ecclesfield either...

However......these may interest you, being so close after 1718:-

Anne Fenney baptised 07.05.1721.......Mary Fenney baptised 29.07.1719.............both at Bradfield..both daughters of one WILLIAM FENNEY............co-incidence??? I think not.

Derek

[Jopeg]

Thanks Derek

Will see if William gives any clues.

A lot of Shaws....

[brokentypewriter]

Thank you Derek, good to know of the Ecclesfield link. Appreciate your efforts.

Regards
B.

[Chris Nilsen]

Hi Derek,
I was hoping to take up your offer of lookups in Derbyshire.
I am seeking details of any children born to John & Sarah Bowden in Glossop.
I know of a Jane Maria Bowden who was born in Glossop in 1838, but there may be others.
My main aim is to discover Sarah's maiden name, which is proving very illusive.
Anything you can do for me is appreciated.
Regards,
Chris.
Adelaide, Australia.

[Derbysderek]

Hello Chris..we have a number of problems here......There are a number of John and Sarah Bowdens in the area, and its very difficult to determine which is which.

One problem is that we have a place called Tintwistle..which is just north of Glossop...and is generally regarded as being in Derbyshire.........BUT is historically in Cheshire......So this gives us more difficluties when we look for Bowdens in Cheshire who moved to Glossop.
Another difficulty is that John Bowden didn't stick around too long after 1841............

The 1851 Census gives SARAH BOWDEN 1806 widow..washerwoman BORN IRELAND!!..with two children Thomas 1834 and Jane 1838..Thomas born Tintwistle Cheshire.and Jane (Naria) 16.09.1838 Glossop.

Sarah appears on the 1861 but she is alone.......

On the other hand there is an 1841 entry for JOHN and SARAH BOWDEN..both born 1806 in Glossop..with three children.......Esther 1835 Samuel 1837 and John 1840.............it is interesting that these three children do not conflict with the other two.......it is possible that there were five children..except that Sarah in 1841c is shown born Glossop, not Ireland............which is not in itself totally fatal..because there could be a number of reasons for it......I have a John Bowden baptised Glossop 10.11.1839 son of John and Sarah......

If sarah was born in Ireland we are unlikely to find her..having married before 1837..and probably in Derbyshire rather than in Ireland anyway............

I have two possible marriages:

John Bowden to SARAH GARSIDE 04.08.1823............and more likely...John Bowden to SARAH HOWARD 01.09.1833..........but being before 1837 any  copy of a marriage  will only have the grooms father on it.........will not tell you the parents of the bride.

I'll keep looking.....

Derek

[Chris Nilsen]

Hi Derek,
Wow! Thank you so much for all the information.
It has given me lots to re-consider.
I had thought I had found Sarah Bowden in 1841 living in Tintwistle (HO 107/100/18, page 6).
Sarah Bowden-45-N.
Sarah Bowden-23-Y.
Martha Bowden-21-Y.
Mary Bowden-18-Y.
Thomas Bowden-21-N.
John Bowden-17-Y.
Josiah Bowden-14-Y.
Thomas Bowden-7-Y.
James Bowden-3-Y.

Obviously this is more than one family group as there are 2 Thomas'.
I was also assuming that 3 yr old James was actually Jane, and entered incorrectly.
But now I am not so sure about this.

My known ancestor is Mary Bowden who was born in Stockport in 1824. She married Thomas Sidebottom in 1842. So she seems to fit with the family above.

I also found a possible first child (Sarah Ann) to a John & Sarah born in Stockport in 1818.
She seems to fit the census above also, but then I found a good marriage fit for her in 1840 to a Thomas Oldham in Stockport. So now I'm very confused.
Then followed 3 others in Stockport, and then 3 in Mottram.


Do you have any access to the birth certificate of Jane Maria who was born 16-9-1838 in Glossop?
I assume it would have Sarah's maiden name recorded. And that could be very helpful.

I might look into the possibility that I am joining family groups here.
Please feel free to pass on anything else you can find.

Regards,
Chris.