Offer: Derbyshire Parish records

[Haff]

Dizzifish,
many thanks for latest update which seems promising and consistent with other online information that I have come across:
John Maskrey born Shirley, Derbyshire 1807 to William Maskrey (1779-1852) and Mary Slater (1785-?). John married Mary Adams (1811-1881) and had 8 children -
William Maskrey (1835-?), Jane Maskrey (1838-?), John Maskrey (1841-1841), Louisa Maskrey (1845-1865), George Maskrey (1848-?), Berrisford James Maskrey (1850-1852), Thomas Maskrey (1852-?), Joseph Maskrey (1856-1936).

This information seems to be consistent with 1851 Census (your post 76) which relates to family i am interested in. The main inconsistency is there being a John Maskrey aged 8 listed in 1851 census with the family extract above showing a John Maskrey being born and dying in 1841. Maybe they had subsequent child called John and a total of 9 children, or incorrect John shown......

The net seems to be closing in....

thanks for your continuing assistance

Haff

[Derbysderek]

Just to embellish Sheila's report on the 1841 Census......baptisms direct from Shirley PR's

William aged 15 does not appear in the PR's under any spelling (but Sheila will find him !!)
JOHN baptised 03.05.1841 died as infant beuried 11.05.1841

replacement JOHN baptised 01.01.1843''

Louisa baptised 04.10.1846
George baptised 25.06.1848
Beresford baptised 06.04.1851
Thomas 11.11.1852
Joseph 09.03.1856


The burial which looks like John senior took place 26.05.1856..aged 64....

and my previous post was stated as ifs and buts Sheila!!

Derek.

[Derbysderek]

Dizzi....you say that the marriage of John Maskrey to Mary Adams is more straight forward..one slight problem with that is  that it doesn't appear in the Shirley PR's.........which doesn't disbar it, but based only on IGI needs confirmation.
The other slight niggle is John 1807.....could easily be baptised at Wirksworth and sayhe was from Shirley...if you look at the excellent Wirksworth sit, you'll see that all sorts of places appear as the origins of people baptised or married at Wirksworth..and don't forget that PR's often have an entry OTP..."of this Parish".........which means at the time of the marriage, not necessarily the place of Birth....I have an impenetrable brick wall in my own family..my GGGGrandfather.married at Ashford in the Water......both parties OTP..but neither were born or baptised their....end of story.

Derek.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Derek...

The John Maskery & Mary Adams is showing has having taken place 21st May  1832 at Shirley - M058941

Another piece of information which adds weight  to that is....

The Derby Mercury  -  Wednesday, May 30,1832
Marriage - On the 21st inst, at Shirley in this county, by the Rec. A.W. Shirley - Mr John Maskery, to Miss Mary Adams, all of that place.
~ ~ ~

In response to your comment " and my previous post was stated as ifs and buts Sheila!!"  .......which is fair enough in the lack of any other candidates.... but you said you have the Shirley P/R's.

I notice you have made an addition to your last post and I don't understand your comment "The other slight niggle is John 1807". The fact of the matter is.... he says on the 1851 he was born there, his baptism indicates he was born there. I do know people stated OTP on their marriages when they were not actually born there.


Sheila.

[Derbysderek]

Thanks Sheila........I tend to rely on my Pr's too much..and of course they are not perfect....must admit your Newspaper evidence is compelling............keep up the good work...certainly keeps me on my toes!

Derek

However....lol....are we or are we not..agreed that John Maskrey/Maskery/Maskerry/Mascary.....was actually NOT baptised at Shirley 1807?...so why not Wirksworth??

[Dizzifish]

That's OK Derek.... all I am concerned with, is we are giving Haff the full story.

But sorry to say I can't agree about John Maskrey and name variants and his 1807 baptism.... 

I say he was baptised at Shirley = John Mascrey - 11th January 1807 at Shirley - parents William & Mary = IGI C058942

Is it the spelling of Mascrey why he is elusive? is there any way you could search using just the date of 11th January 1807?


Sheila.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Derek....

Another spelling variant for you with the William you couldn't find.

Baptism at Shirley
IGI C058941 = William Mascary - 8th Oct 1837 - parents William & Mary


Sheila.

[Derbysderek]

Hi again Sheila.........I'm sure you're right about John 1807..but over the years i have become paranoid about relying on FamilySearch without confirmation..and in this case even the MASCERY entry is not in the PR's..............just as a matter of interest the full list of (phonetically similar) Mascary's is as follows:-

Baptisms:

Mascary 4..including Jane daughter of John and Mary 02.09.1838...1 marriage
Mascery 1 only..........1 burial
Mascree 1 only..1 burial
Mascrey  5...1 burial
Maskerry 4.....5 burials
Maskery 39...9 marriages..28 burials
Maskre 4....all 18th Century...1 marriage
Maskrey 5......6 marriages...9 burials
Maskry 1 only...1 burial

on the bright side...I think you've nailed the marriage of John maskery to Mary Adams...who was baptised 30.06.1811..one of six children of Beresford and Jane.......largely on the basis that one of their children was called Beresford...........not a very common first name!!
..........AND.......William Mascary 08.10.1837.......as you say..is entered as son of William and Mary.....but surely he's supposed to be the son of JOHN and Mary...to go with Jane baptised a year later........nightmare!!!!!!!
.and you're dead right..the main thing is to give Haff as much potentially correct info as possible....we might hit something that turns out to be cast iron cert...........in the meantime I'll have another Scotch!

Derek.

[Haff]

Sheila/Derek,
wow....Just catching up on things and amazed at amount of info that you have come up with.
Seems that Derek still has concerns re John's baptism and, like me, surprised that Williams parents shown as William and Mary rather than John and Mary.

I am not really familiar with IGI records - just wondered how reliable they are/how you can form view on their reliablilty etc.

thanks again.

Haff