Tolka Cottages, Drumcondra, Dublin

[Irishmatt]

Thank you dathai, that's been a very big help, I now have a last name for Catherine Kenny M Donnel & I did have the name William Daly from my grand mothers birth certificate he was born in Charles town Co Mayo and his father was called Micheal. William Daly joined the British Army in 1916 that would seem a strange thing for an irishman to do ? do you have any ideas why he would of done that ?Thanks again for your help

[dathai]

Many thousand's of young men answered the call ,naively they thought they were going on a big adventure ,little did they know what horrors faced them,some joined out of loyalty to the crown others through not having employment and it seemed an easy way to earn a shilling and possibly get a pension later.
The stamp of Patriotism had not yet been endowed in them till Mr Maxwell decided after the rising of 1916 to execute our leaders,little did he know he had made martyrs of them and stirred up the greatest revolution to ever stand up to the British Empire.
Many of the returning young men from the great war joined in and fought in the Irish Civil war and war of Independence their experience in weapons etc being invaluable to the cause.

You learn something new every day they say  and i did today, i was intrigued by William's address as i never heard of it before ''Hospital ,Glasnevin''.
Was Mary Kenny a VAD Nurse is this how they met ?
https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-other-women-of-1916/

[Irishmatt]

Thank you for that, and reading the article on VAD Nurses that would fit in with what she was doing at the Hospital. I have William Dalys Army records and its say his mother & father are both dead on his joining up papers, so It looks like he joined up for employment. His home address is given as Barrach st Co Mayo & born in Charles Town Co Mayo. He got to Dublin war hospital on 20th of June 1918 and Left on 29th of September 1918. The family gossip is my great grand mar got pregnant so they had to get married fast, why he was still at the hospital. Sadly 4 weeks after leaving hospital and at the army barracks in England Kent, he died of the flu. So my grand mar never met him. The army sent £23.56 back to Tolka Cottages Jan 1919 and some medals, the medals they refused to take, but there no doubt Patrick Kenny would of had a few round at Fagans on the £23.56

[dathai]

your grandmother was born 1922 ?

[Irishmatt]

Yes she has a birth certificate that's says January 1922 but all her life she was adamant that was not her birthday, she always said they could not register her at the time ? Never gave a reason and she passed away in 2005 so I can't ask her, but my mum says the same, she was born earlier than 1922 and that's not her real birth date. What happened was her widowed mum met somebody else, and the new husband didn't want to take on my grand mar. She stayed at 9 Tolka cottages with her grand parents until they both passed away, then she came to England to start a new life in the 1940s.
I only first got a copy of here birth certificate 3 years ago, when I needed it to get on the foreign births register. I then looked up her dad William Daly that's named on the 1922 birth certificate and found out he died in 1918 ? Its a strange mystery have you any ideas ?

[dathai]

Hi Matt
          is there any statutory declarations on the certificate that indicate she was a late registration,

i did see a birth in 1919 for a Mary? which seems to be redacted
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qmv/

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/notice-concerning-possible-redaction-of-historic-birth-records

[Irishmatt]

Yes I looked at the link, and her name is Mary Daly and the dates would match up. There is nothing on her 1922 birth certificate to say its a late registration. It says she was born at Rotunda Hospital and her Father is William Daly address 9 Tolka Cottages. It does not say soldier as profession it says Labourer.(May have been to embarrassed to put soldier)  So its got to be one way or the other. William Daly is not her real dad or for some reason they registered her then redacted it then re registered her 2 and a half years later. William Daly did have a sister that moved to England (In his Army records he spent the Christmas of 1917 at her house in London) so Im hoping to trace her family through my family tree. Thanks again for all your help

[dathai]

I get a sense of Dja ja vue
is this William in 1901 with his sister Maria and widowed father Michael who married Catherine Devaney in 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10853/5962872.pdf


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Kilbeagh/Charlestown/1599233/

Charlestown not in 1911 census

William is younger than his sister Maria

William Oct 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02450/1910706.pdf

Maria Feb 1888
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02524/1935119.pdf

Mother died 1899
63
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05777/4633567.pdf

father 1907
181
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05510/4544347.pdf

[Irishmatt]

Thanks again for all your help. Everything matches apart from his sisters name. She is listed on Williams army next of kin as Maggie Holmes. I'm assuming she was married to Mr Holmes. Maybe her second name was Margret like her mums and she then took the name Maggie ? Ive checked and check ed and your link is the only William living in Charles Town with a dad called Micheal and both parents had died before he joined the army.