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Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« on: Thursday 16 September 10 22:17 BST (UK) »
The will is relatively easy to read, but I'm having trouble with a couple of words.  Is the first missing word Fourth?  Is the following word Church?  And is the next word really porch---or should it be parish?

the Elder or which of them that shall enjoy the said Lands and premises
by virtue of this my will at Two usual Feasts or days of payment in the
year that is to say, at the Feast of St. Michael the Archangel and the
annunciation of our blessed Lady St. Mary the virgin by even and equal parcels
which said payments and every of them shall be made at or in the
South or F_____  Church? ____ of Wendover aforesaid and? in case default
and failure of payment shall fortune to be made of the said sum of
twenty pounds per A[nnu]m given to him by me to be issuing out of the afore-

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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 September 10 22:23 BST (UK) »
I make it: Fourth (or from the context North) church porch in Wendover.
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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 September 10 22:27 BST (UK) »
I agree Redroger Fourth is what it says but North would fit better :-\
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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 September 10 22:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Roger.  I hadn't even considered North.  I thought the next word was Church, but for some reason the word porch seemed too modern--(and almost too casual)--so I thought it must be an unusual spelling of parish.


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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 September 10 22:32 BST (UK) »
Perhaps the church had a number of porches, and the fourth one faced south?

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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 September 10 00:09 BST (UK) »
Sorry to disagree folks, but I think it says Forren if you compare the individual letters with other words (there appear to be two forms of the letter r )

Must confess I have no idea what that means though, but I can't see th at the end of the word. Unless perhaps it is a version of foreign and there was a separate porch for strangers, which is clutching at straws. On the other hand, doesn't four porches seem rather a lot?

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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 September 10 00:17 BST (UK) »
Unless it's South or Fourth Church--i.e. the 4th church in Wendover, which is also the farthest south? 

But I agree, Roger, it does look more like Forre_, though the final letter looks more like a modern "H" than it does like a 17th century "n."

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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 September 10 00:20 BST (UK) »
I googled Foreign Church Wendover and found this:

The parish of Wendover in 1837
The parish of Wendover is very extensive; containing 5000 acres, and, by the last census, 409 houses and 1920 souls. Of these, 1200 reside in the town of Wendover, distant a quarter of a mile from the church; and the rest called "The Foreign," are scattered in detatched cottages and little hamlets upon the Chiltern Hills, such as King's Wood and Lee Grove, at a distance of about three miles, and Scrub Wood, on the opposite hill at a distance of two miles . . .

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Re: Help with a couple of words from 1668 please
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 September 10 09:58 BST (UK) »
That's interesting, Bridget. Perhaps the "foreigners" had their own part of the church and a separate entrance? Or perhaps the South porch was their entrance? It sounds as if they might sometimes have had muddy boots!!

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