Anderson from Scotland to Geelong Australia

[jenwren]

Okay, thanks to some hints from you good folk, and a serendipitous connection with a distant rellie, I have a bit more info, so hoping someone might be able to add something...

Margaret Anderson came to Oz, aged 10, with her aunt and uncle William MALCOLM age 25 and wife Ann nee BLACK age 20.  Ann was Margaret's mother's (Jane/Janet? BLACK) sister.

They arrived in Geelong in 1853 on the Childe Harold, along with Wm and Ann's daughter, also called Margaret (MALCOLM) who was 1 yo, apparently going to a Peter Malcolm, presumably a relative (?), at Batesford, near Geelong, Victoria.

Margaret ANDERSON was also living with the MALCOLMs in the 1851 Scotland census - they were living at Bothkennar, Stirlingshire.  (Her age was '10' at that stage, too...)

Ann and Jane Black were the daughters of John BLACK and Margaret McEWAN (according to Ann's death cert which I now have).  Ann was born in Alloa, Clackmannanshire, Scotland 1830-1832, year depending on passenger list and death certificate age.

So, perhaps, if Jane/Janet was an older sister the JAMES ANDERSON and JEAN BLACK Marriage: 10 FEB 1838 in Alloa, Clackmannan might just be be the one....!? (thanks, Monica!!) The rellie I've connected with has their marriage as 1838, but no more details.

Have discovered lots of information about sister Ann and her line, but poor Jane/Janet doesn't feature anywhere, so far.

Any further suggestions would be most welcome.

[MonicaL]

Hi Jenn

Looks like you have been working hard 

With this new info on potential sister Ann, I wonder if this could be an entry from 1841 for Ann with parents:

John Black 50, sower (not sure if this is a mistranscription or the actual occupation, maybe related to weaving?)
Margaret Black 45
David Black 19, Black Smith J(ourneyman)
John Black 15, Ap Wright J
Margaret Black 12
Isabella Black 10
Ann Black 8
Elizabeth Anderson 20

Address: Whins Colliery, Alloa, Clackmannanshire

I can't see any birth or christening entries for this family on IGI though to be able to confirm mother's maiden name as McEwan.

Was there an occupation for John Black, Ann's father, from her death cert?

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks to be the marriage of William Malcolm and Ann Black from IGI:

WILLIAM MALCOLM and ANN BLACK
Marriage: 11 DEC 1847 in Bothkennar, Stirling

Which fits well with the birth of their daughter (from the 1851 census) born in Bothkennar, Margaret Malcolm aged 5 months in the 1851 census entry. Nothing showing on IGI for births for them either unfortunately. Ann Black/Malcolm shows as aged 18, which fits well with that possible entry in 1841 with family.

She must have been really young when she married, c. 16?

Monica

[MonicaL]

From that 1841 census entry I posted earlier for a possible entry for the Black family in Alloa, I wonder whether this is daughter Isabella's marriage:

ALEXANDER STEWART and ISABELLA BLACK    
Marriage: 02 NOV 1850 in Tillicoultry, Clackmannan

Possible 1851 entry - as transcribed. The original image would let you confirm details better:

Alexr Stevart 21, Bracken, Forfar
Issabella Stevart 20, Woolen Weaver b. Alloa
Alexander Stevart 1 Month b. Tillicoultry
Margaret Black 57, mother in law b. Tillicoultry
William Anderson 2, lodger b. Tillicoultry (could this be a possible sibling to your Margaret?)

Address: Stirling Street, Tillicoultry

Again, nothing coming up for possible children for Alexander and Isabella on IGI.

There is a possible death for a Margaret McEwan/Black in Clackmannanshire post 1855, b. 1792 on Scotlands People which might help you establish more details.

Monica

[jenwren]

Hi Monica,

No sleep happening here 

This might just be the family.  Occupation of John Black on Ann's death cert is 'not known', naturally...

Though, Ann's husband, William Malcolm was a coal mine labourer, according to the 1851 census info, living at Alloa, so maybe....

Also, according to one of Ann's descendants, John was born about 1791, and Margaret born about 1796, which tallies!  Doesn't it?  Laughing... a bit non compus this morning. Have to keep checking my sums!

Woohoo, thanks Monica!

If Jane/Janet/Jean (??) was indeed the one married in 1838, she wouldn't probably be there...

Think you've found another connection, Monica.  You're a gem!
In the 1851 census for Wm & Ann Malcolm
STEWART   Alexander Brolaw M   M       21       Hand Loom Weaver  Angus - Brechin

Looks like him!  And, looks like Mum was helping out with the new baby.

Wondering if they, too immigrated to Oz.  More sleepless nights coming up, I can see.

Also looks like I'll have to pay subs again at Ancestry to get copies of the censuses...

Thanks so very much, Monica.  You really are special!

Jenn

[PrueM]

Jenn, just a thought - may be cheaper (in the short run) to buy credits on Scotlands People, and access the census that way.  You will be able to see the original pages as well as transcriptions, whereas on Ancestry you can only see their transcriptions.

Good luck with your search!  I was trying to see whether I could help, but I think it's all under control for the mo...

Cheers
Prue

[jenwren]

Hi Prue,

Thank you for tuning in and for the suggestion.  Had forgotten (lost in the fug) that there's not the same access on Ancestry to Scotland docs as for England...  Scotland's People sounds the better option. 

Also realised I have poor 'Alexander Stewart' with rellies in two places at the same time.... fudge.    Time to get away from the screen for a while, I think.

[MonicaL]

Agree 100% Prue 

Jenn, the Ancestry transcripts are invaluable for general searches for the censuses, but once you have found them, the original images are what you need. The two 1851 censuses for the Stewarts and Malcolms would be good for you to have the originals on. The original image for Margaret Black for 1851 would also let you confirm her marital status which doesn't show on transcripts. If she is still married, then we can look for husband John. There is this entry for example in 1851:

John Black, 55, Hand Loom Weaver (wool), b. Alloa
Address: King Street, Alloa

Monica

[MonicaL]

Jenn, our posts crossed over. I did notice the double entry potentially for Alexander Stewart. Did happen occassionally that someone was listed in two places. The censuses were suppposed to record where everyone was precisely on the night of the census, but sometimes, as perhaps with Alexander, if they lived with family but were lodging/working away from home, they were recorded in two places.

Monica