Venables Family - London 1800's

[Greydad]

I'm a newbie here and I'm in Australia..so far I have George Venables b 1905 Newcross, his wife Sophia Kreger, his father Albert b 1880 Greenwich, his wife Emily Dennison, his father George b 1842 Romford Essex? his wife Maria Forster (nee Stringer).
Does anyone out there know these people? or their ancestors?

[Tati]

Welcome to RootsChat Greydad 

I don't know if you already have this:

Marriage 4 Feb 1878 St James The Great, Bethnal Green
George Venables, full age, bachelor Labourer, residence Bethnal Green, father George Venables deceased
Maria Forster, full age, widow, residence Bethnal Green, father William ?Stringer?, deceased
Witness F Sharp and John Young (all except John Young sign)


Possible first marriage for Maria?

21 Oct 1865, St Mary at Lambeth
William Forster Junior, full age, bachelor, Book Mounter, residence Kennington Lane, father William Forster, Inspector at the Tower
Maria Stringer, full age, spinster, residence Kennington Lane, father William Stringer (no occupation shown)
Witnesses Zebulun Vinson and Sarah Emily Stringer

[Tati]

In 1871 (RG10/278 82 49), widowed Maria Forster is shown with 2 children: William Forster age 4 born Middlesex St Lukes and Edith M Forster age 2 born Surrey Brixton

Christening 16 Sep 1866 St James Clerkenwell
William Stringer Forster, born 24 Aug 1866, son if William and Maria Forster of 3 Nelson Terrace, father a Book Mounter 

Christening September 1868, fiftheenth Sunday after Trinity at Kennington Surrey
Edith Maria Forster, daughter of William and Maria Forster of 22 Treherne Rd N. Brixton, father a Metal Worker

By 1881 these 2 children are shown with the surname Venables.

[Tati]

Most likely George I can spot on earlier censuses

1861
RG9/1071 129 29
Barking, Essex
Sanna? St
George Venables, head, 54, Ag lab, b. Essex Barking
Elizabeth, wife, 57, b. Wales
Mary, dau, unm, 33, School Mistress, b. Essex Barking
Joseph, son, unm, 26, Ag lab, b. do.
Daniel, son, unm, 23, Ag lab, b. do.
Reuben, son, unm, 20, Grocer's Assistant, b. do.
George, son, unm, 18, Ag lab, b. do.

1851
HO107/1772 579 40
Barking, Essex
1 Dangerfield Buildings
George Venables, head, 45, Gardener, b. Essex Barking
Elizabeth, wife, 47, b. Wales Tregaron
Mary, dau, unm, 23, b. Barking
John, son, 19, Gardener, b. do.
Joseph, son, 17, ditto, b. do.
Daniel, son, 13, ditto, b. do.
Rueben, son, 11, b. do.
George, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Isaac, son, 4, scholar, b. do.
Martha Morris, dau, wid, 25, Char Woman, b. do.
Archibald Morris, grandson, 2, b. do. 

[Tati]

and Maria:

1861
RG9/185 132 17
Holborn St Andrew, Middlesex
Portpool Lane 
William Stringer, head, 60, Labourer Brewery, b. Oxfordshire
Elizabeth, wife, 53, b. St Lukes Middlesex
Sarah E, dau, 18, Book Mounter, b. St Andrews Middlesex
Maria, dau, 16, Saw Peicer, b. do.
Daniel, son, 13, Pupil Teacher, b. do.

1851
HO107/1514 179 51
Holborn St Andrew, Middlesex
25 Portpool Lane
William Stringer, head, 51, Labourer, b. Oxford
Elizabeth, wife, 43, b. London
Joseph, son, 14, Errand, b. do.
Sarah E, dau, 8, b. do.
Maria, dau, 6, b. do.
Daniel, son, 3, b. do.

and before her birth:

1841
HO107/670/2 39 20
St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars, Middlesex
William Stringer, 40, Male Servant, not born in county
Elizabeth, 30
Emma, 15, Trimming (something)
William, 13
John, 11
Elizabeth, 9
Louisa, 6
Joseph, 4
Sarah, 1
George Sherlock, 25, Labourer, not born in county

[Tati]

A birth cert for one of the children born after the start of civil registration would tell us Elizabeth's maiden name. There are several possible William Stringer / Elizabeth marriages.

A quick look at possible christenings for the children:
- Emma Stringer, 11 Dec 1825, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- William Joseph Stringer, 8 July 1827, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- John Stringer, 2 Aug 1829, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- Elizabeth Stringer, 16 Oct 1831, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Fore St, father a labourer 
- Louisa Stringer, 1 Nov 1835, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Fore St, father a labourer (there was an earlier Louisa in 1834 as well - I suppose she died)
- Joseph-Henry Stringer, 17 Dec 1837, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Hope Place, father a labourer


From there, this marriage looks very likely to me:
17 Oct 1824 St Mary at Lambeth
William Stringer of this parish, bachelor
Elizabeth Ward of this parish, spinster
Witness H T Tomkins 

[Greydad]

Well Tati, you've been busy. Thanks for that . It will give me a lot to work on.

[Greydad]

Well, my post has been read 137 times...has anyone out there got anything to add??..

[rosie99]

Well, my post has been read 137 times...has anyone out there got anything to add??..

Hi

Welcome to rootschat 

It might be better if you post further questions to get the answers you want, it would certainly make it easier for those of us 'looking things up'

Rosie