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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #45 on: Friday 17 September 10 15:15 BST (UK) »
last  will and testament. And I do give for his payne therein a hope of gold in value xiijs iiijd (13s.4d.)

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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #46 on: Friday 17 September 10 16:01 BST (UK) »
Sally, Missed this yesterday, My uncle was Herbert Stanley Cole, he was b 1st May 1890 in Bethnal Green London, on the death of his mother pre 1906 he servbed as a regular soldier in the RHA, seeing servbice in India, Malaya, and in WW1 the Western Front. After the war he was discharged, and moved to Cambridge where he married my mother's sister Doris Melinda Ayres b Cambridge 18th June 1897. Though he was b Bethnal Green I have often wondered why he went to Cambridge? Perhaps in view of the surname Cole being resident he did already have relatives there, but I know nothing about them. Will look at the latest will parts later.
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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 18 September 10 06:45 BST (UK) »
Bridgetm, thanks very much - I've never seen value's in latin before!

I've almost finished this one I think.....

Here are a few more words I'm struggling with....


Borough to --- of said grounde? now enclosed right? to my capitall? mesuage? where

I now --- for forever? --- which I have yet payde and as yet I have no

assurance of the same. And where I have --- of --- --- one ---

unto my said ---mansion house for three pounds whereof I have paid --- and

as yet I have no assurance of the same. I will that my said wife shall pay the said

four pounds to the said maid? and --- of the Borough of Boston and the ---

some to Richard child and upon the payment of the same money to take ---

of the said --- --- purchased to herself for --- of her --- and after her ---

to the --- of the right? --- of me the said William Tupholme farmer.  In Witness which

to this my last will and testament I have --- my --- my seale and hand the day and ---

above written in the --- of Thomas --- & William Tupholme
 
COLE - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton
CROW - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton   
FLETCHER - Nottinghamshire - Clarborough, Lincolnshire - Bourne, Bedfordshire - Biggleswade, Yorkshire - Sheffield
LAWRENCE - Yorkshire - Sheffield, Pontefract
MORRIS - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton   
NEWBORN - Yorkshire - Doncaster, Lincolnshire - Haxey
PATE - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton
TUPHOLME - Lincolnshire

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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 18 September 10 06:49 BST (UK) »
Redroger - Thanks for the extra info, do you know if your uncle Herbert Cole had any brothers or sisters?



I've attempted this last section but not had much luck  ???


Approved was this testament before master? --- --- --- ---
--- --- --- --- --- London --- --- May --- --- ---
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
--- Tupholme --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
And of singular? --- --- --- --- --- ---
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
COLE - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton
CROW - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton   
FLETCHER - Nottinghamshire - Clarborough, Lincolnshire - Bourne, Bedfordshire - Biggleswade, Yorkshire - Sheffield
LAWRENCE - Yorkshire - Sheffield, Pontefract
MORRIS - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton   
NEWBORN - Yorkshire - Doncaster, Lincolnshire - Haxey
PATE - Cambridgeshire - Haddenham, Wilburton
TUPHOLME - Lincolnshire


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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 18 September 10 10:20 BST (UK) »

Googling the first words (Probatum fuit huioi Testamentu coram ...) brings up examples of early probates from which you'll probably be able to work out the gist.

I can see a Doctor of Laws, Walter Haddon(?) of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (?) and the date of 12th day of the month of May 1567, something along the lines of:

"Waltero Haddon? legum doctore Curie Prerogat Cant Comissario … London duodecimo die mensis Maij Anno Domini Millisimo Quingencesimo Sexagesimo septimo ..."

Not a lot of help, really.  :-\



Added: Just found another probate (and translation) granted by the same Walter Haddon:
Google (page six)

Probatum fuit huiusmodi Testamentum coram Magistro Waltero Haddon Legum Doctore
Curie Prerogatiue Cantuariensis Comissario apud London vndecimo die mensis Decembris
Anno Domini millesimo quingentesimo sexagesimo Iuramento ffrancisci Kempe et Roberti
Lee personaliter presentium, Thome Kempe militis Roberti Oxenbridge et Anthonij
Kempe Armigeri in persona [-in persona] dicti ffrauncisci executorum in huiusmodi
Testamento nominatorum Quibus comissa fuit administracio de bene etc. Ac de pleno
inventario Necnon de vero et plano computo Reddendo Ad sancta Dei Evangelia Iuratis

[=The same testament was proved before Master Walter Haddon, Doctor of the Laws,
Commissary of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, at London on the eleventh day of
the month of December in the year of the Lord the thousand five hundred sixtieth by the
oath of Francis Kempe and Robert Lee, personally present, Thomas Kempe, knight,
Robert Oxenbridge and Anthony Kempe, esquire, in the person of the said Francis,
executors named in the same testament, to whom administration was granted, sworn on
the Holy Gospels to well etc., and to render a full inventory and also a true and plain
account.]
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Re: Help with a 1567 WILL Please
« Reply #50 on: Saturday 18 September 10 12:20 BST (UK) »
A quick attempt:

I now dwell for forever --- which I have yet payde and as yet I have no

assurance of the same. And where I have purchased of Richard Childe one house nigh

unto my said newmansion house for three pounds whereof I have paid --- and

as yet I have no assurance of the same. I will that my said wife shall pay the said

four pounds to the said manor and burgages of the Borough of Boston and the ---

some to Richard child and upon the payment of the same money to take ---

of the said --- --- purchased to herself for term of her life and after her decease

to the use of the right heirs of me the said William Tupholme farmer.  In Witness which

to this my last will and testament I have sett my sett my seale and hand the day and year

above written in the presence of Thomas --- & William Tupholme

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« Reply #51 on: Saturday 18 September 10 12:22 BST (UK) »
I now dwell for forever --- which I have yet unpayde and as yet I have no

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« Reply #52 on: Saturday 18 September 10 12:24 BST (UK) »
unto my said new (or name?) mansion house for three pounds whereof I have paid --- and

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« Reply #53 on: Saturday 18 September 10 12:36 BST (UK) »
Sum? to Richard Child and upon the payment of the same money to take assurance

of the said two sondry (sundry?) purchases to herself for term of her life and after her decease