Crosbie, Cardoness / Gatehouse

[Maisymum]

And of course it's Francis, not Frances, which is the feminine version. It's just as well there are other members of the family searching.

[Maisymum]

It would appear that Isabella was named after the family who owned Cardoness. An Isabella Martin appears on the 1851 census as being the sister in law of the owner, David Maxwell, and living at Cardoness.  Isabella Crosbie's brother was christened David Maxwell Crosbie and his younger brother was christened William Maxwell Crosbie, named after David Maxwell's son and heir. We have been told that this was fairly common practice at the time.

[CaroleW]

As Francis was in Liverpool in 1881 and Mary was still alive in 1871 - have you checked for a death for her between 1871-1881 as I can't find an 1881 Scottish entry for her

 

[CaroleW]

A possible marriage

Frank Crosbie September qtr 1880 Strand 1B 963 - there is an Eliza Marriner on the same page

[Maisymum]

Yes, we  had spotted the marriage to Eliza / Edna  as a strong possibility. We can't find Mary for 1881 either so are going to look at deaths in that period. We're hoping to go to Liverpool next week to the records office.  We also discovered that Francis and Mary's son David Maxwell Crosbie possibly died aged 15 in Liverpool and we would like to try and find out more about that too. We wonder if he was working with his father at the time in the docks. Thank you very much for your help so far, I'll no doubt be back on again when I've hopefully found out more.

[CaroleW]

From freebmd - this entry would suggest that Francis was possibly in Liverpool in 1871

Deaths March qtr 1870 
 
David Maxwell Crosbie aged  15  Liverpool  8b 57

I should have put this additional info in my previous post re: possible marriage for Francis.

There is a Frank Crosbie living in Islington with parents in 1871 so I initially thought it could be his marriage.  I checked the 1881 and he was still single and with parents

[Maisymum]

I know, it's frustrating that Francis slides from view between the 1861 census and Isabella's marriage in Stockport in 1878. On the marriage certificate he is described as a warehouseman and an address of Pleasant St is given, although this may be Isabella's adress. I've found the page and volume for David Maxwell Crosbie's death and am hoping to follow it up in Liverpool maybe next week. It is interesting to note that Isabella's sister Sarah, and brother John are listed in the 1871 census as living with Mary Crosbie in Gatehouse, and then 20 years later in the 1891 census they are residing with Francis and Eliza in Liverpool. Eliza is listed as a draper, John as a draper's clerk and Sarah as dressmaker / milliner so it looks like some sort of family business.  Also, Eliza is listed as their mother which suggests that Mary has died in the intervening years. That's something to look up next month in Gatehouse.

[CaroleW]

Hi

I've found the page and volume for David Maxwell Crosbie's death and am hoping to follow it up in Liverpool maybe next week.

You will not be able to access any info on the death cert - you would have to buy a copy

You may possibly be able to find a coroners report which I think will be in the archives (you need to check) and this will not be available until October

Have a look at this link

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9679

[Maisymum]

Thanks for the warning. I was aware that work was being carried out at the archives. The library is back in action this week but I'll decide next week whether it's better to leave it till next month.  As you say, there may be a coroner's report as David may have met with an accident. I'm prepared to buy a death certificate as it may help shed light on Francis and Isabella.