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Findings of a psychic medium
« on: Monday 13 September 10 12:49 BST (UK) »
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Hello everybody  :)

I am the researcher of a Paranormal Research Team and I am stuck.

Last Saturday (11th of September 2010) we had an investigation at Exeter Castle, Exeter, UK. Until 2004 Exeter Castle (also known as Rougemont Castle) used to be a Court House. The whole complex dates back to the 11th cenuty and trial were held there ever since. Thousands of people have been imprisoned, punished, tortured and executed over the centuries.

We were accompanied by a guest medium on that night and she picked up upon a few spirits of convicts, people that were being hanged or transported to Australia.  I am afraid, that I don't have many dates with the names, this is why I am stuck now.  So here are the names and all the information we could get about them so far:

(Most of it our medium got per automatic writing, so the information is directly from the spirit itself and his/her own words)

“Jethro Talbut. Killed me dad in a fight. So hurt me and I was mad. Me ma was able to help me until he died then I got laid by the rangers. They took me to jail. I am no more alive.
I got my penance here.
I want to go to hell and know I shall be saved if I recant 1736 -? 173...?. Not sure. I was born here in the city (Exeter) died in Gail (sic) and need help to go on.
Be good to me please.
I am afraid to go – HELL.
Thanks lady.!
I am GLAD TO BE RID OF MY OWN SOD.
              _____________________
Thanks Be to the GOOD SOUL WHO GAVE ME LOVE.
Will get ma and go.
                     Thanks Love is GOOD”


According to what our medium said about Jethro (who was sitting in one of the prison cells), he was crying for his mum, literally soiling himself because of terror. This makes me think, that he might have been still in his teens.

“Simon Caldwood of West Highcourt Exeter
I had a man killed because he hurt my girlfriend. I had a man to get him hung by the neck till gone. I had to tell them he was a man in harm to her and I had him hung till done for.
He was Saul Bander ( or Banter) of Caulstok and I had him done to.
I died and saw my love go to hell for it. Now I am gone and not aided to shift to light.
I am done to now so hold me high to go on and on I should be good to go forward. I am shamed lass shamed.

Be glad to go for love. I want my wife to hold love to. So I shall go to her now.
Be love ------------“

It seems, that Simon swore a false oath was was done for that later on.


“Myra Somer of Grandma Keller’s home.
I took a bit of land and held it to my heart. I saw my home burn and I got me a man to give me aid and he were a man to like.
I had a boy and he died by my power so I got hung out the hole of like.
So I am well. Not bad – just stupid. I am OK. Love Myra Somer Exeter.”



“Saul Bannerman of Exeter.
Saw me go down to be got in hell.
I killed a man and swung (hanged). I am free. Terror took me wise and I am no coward but I got my bull an d neck gone and i swung high. Not good end and I hung up hard took a Paine to end. I held no call to end in a way so hurtful.
Be good to all. Saul Bannerman”


“Peter Sandman of Exeter Court 2.
Died in yard then dug in soil. Saw me dead meat tossed into a deal crate then dumped into it.
I handed my deal to love – Be warned all live bodies – it’s coil to kill. Sandman is a noble line. Not bad one. All OK now. Such fume and I held me a sinner.”
“am Humphrey of Exeter. I like to annoy maids. I done a sin and got be dined for it.
Swung? Nay I got transt to Van Deemans Land. Got rid of life and got me to homeland again. So there!
I tell truth for now – there again – who know.
So all is like to like.”

I found out, that Van Diemen’s Land is now Tasmania. The name was changed in 1856, so Humphrey must have been transported there before then,so it must have been most likely in the time from 1822 – 53, when the most active transportation to Tasmania took place. Finding a single name in the records without knowing if it is a first or a surname is nearly impossible, as from 1846 onwards about 5000 convicts arrived each year.

“NATHAN COLWELL I KILLED A WHORE
SHE HELD MY LOVE AND TOOK ME IN THAT IS FACT. SHE WAS A WHORE. I KILLED HER AND I KNOW IT WAS EVIL. NO MORE TO IT. I HAVE NO CALL TO EVER HOLD HER AGAIN.
I WANT TO BE RID OF HER NOW SO HOLD MY HAND AND HELP ME TO GO ON. I SWUNG AND IT HURT AT IT TOO. LONG HAUL THEN RID OF LIFE BUT I SAW HELL IN THE HELL OF SWING – NO MORE TO IT. I WAS A SELLER OF TRIBAL GEAR LIKE SUMP AND sh*t TO AIL MEN AT AIL. YES A FALSE GOD OF APOFICRY  (sic).
NO HARM MENT BUT NO HELP EITHER. SMELL ME? AYE – FALSE HERB AND FUME NO GOOD TO MEN.
SUCH A FUME. I WILL GO NOW LOVE. THANK TO YOU ALL – I SEE LOVE AGAIN. HAD MY SPEACH.
NOW I AM Free.
THANK YOU”

Nathan Colwell was a quack doctor. I reckon, that he wasn't born in Exeter, maybe didn't even live there. Quack doctors usually did a lot of traveling, mostly to avoid trouble with angry former customers.

Please help me. I'd be thankful for anything, links, historians or even research results.

Thank you,
GPS Hella


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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 September 10 13:11 BST (UK) »
That's interesting, but I'm a bit of a sceptic and I'm not sure that anything we could find out about these names would prove a thing.  Any information that we could find could also have been looked up by a 'Psychic'.

Incidentally, I looked for Myra Somer on my two subscription packages and got no results.

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 September 10 13:15 BST (UK) »
My thoughts exactly, although I did a couple of quick searches on names (which led me nowhere).  Anything found by people here will be in the public domain, and if it is in the public domain, then it's going to be accessible by someone calling themselves psychic or a medium.  So what exactly does it prove ?

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 September 10 13:25 BST (UK) »
“am Humphrey of Exeter. I like to annoy maids. I done a sin and got be dined for it.
Swung? Nay I got transt to Van Deemans Land. Got rid of life and got me to homeland again. So there!
I tell truth for now – there again – who know.
So all is like to like.”


I don't understand why Humphrey's spirit would be hanging around in Exeter Castle if what he says is true  :-\  Hmm.

Glad Nick agreed, as I felt a bit as if I was pouring cold water on the whole thing.  Perhaps someone will turn up with a diary written by one of these 'spirits' that's never been published that verifies some information - then I'd be very impressed  :)
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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 September 10 14:14 BST (UK) »
I agree with you there. I am also very skeptic about mediums, but I still think it's worth researching what Joan picked up.
The Paranormal, especially concerning ghosts, is unknown grounds for us.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe in spirits, because in all those years as an investigator I have experienced too much. I just can't say anymore, that there is no such thing as ghosts. Some things just can't be explained by natural causes. But I don't just take every little sound or breeze in the dark as a sign of the presence of a ghost. I know how to look for natural causes first, also with technical equipment.

A quick check on the names lead me as far as it did you. I am also sure that most old court records can be found in the archives, but not on the internet, but that doesn't have to say the didn't exist.

I did research on names mediums picked up before and had some nice hits.

I did find the name Humphrey mentioned in a convict's report. A guy was chained to someone called Humphrey, who died on the long walk to their destination in Van Diemen's Land. But if it was him, I can't say.

Don't ask my why Humphrey should have returned to England and how he actually managed to do so. But I DO know from countless reports about hauntings, that it seems to be possible for spirits to return back to their place of birth or death or places where they had traumatic but also nice experiences.

The reason why we are researching these names is, that we prefer to know who we are dealing with. For the medium it would be also good to have a confirmation.

Never mind, if one believes in spirits, mediumship or not, I don't think, that it really matters. According to our medium, these were real people. Fascinating was as well, that the handwriting was always significantly different with every single person she had "on the line".

As I said, anything that can be found about these people, might be another piece in the jigsaw.

so please give me a chance  ;)

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 September 10 14:18 BST (UK) »
How many Humphreys of Exeter were transported? Not that many, should be verifiable with Australian records, but as has been said already, what we can find so could the medium.
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 September 10 15:57 BST (UK) »
There is quite a bit of information around on executions (more likely to be found than on criminals in general).
http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/em/executed.php
 - Exeter Castle seems to only have been used for a few early executions.
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/devon.html
 - don't see any of yours.

I have seen a couple of these kind of requests over the years-- people who have gone to find out about past lives, etc-- I have never seen once one where accurate info was given (although I have seen egregious historical errors). I doubt the person in question set out to deceive-- or the information given would be that for people who were genuinely hanged/charged, since those lists are hardly difficult to find.

It's not possible to 100% prove someone didn't exist, but given the relatively serious crimes it would be likely that at least one of these people would show up (particularly "Myra", as relatively few women were actually executed over the years). There are a lot of people who have an interest in/do research into murders/murderers, the history of execution, etc.
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 September 10 17:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the links. I've looked up the Exeter memories site already, the list they have there is only concerning certain cemeteries as far as I could see. At the moment I am going through old police and court records (the ones that are available online  ::))

The links I've got so far are:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/index.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20080118063551/http://www.sfhg.org.uk/history14.html
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Exeter/Police1/ChargeBook1847-1.html

and a few others, that weren't helpful at all.
I will definitely check out the capital punishment site.

I agree, that our medium could have looked up those names before, but I doubt it. It is a matter of trust, I guess. We know her for quite a while now and she joined us recently on a private case and picked up upon a guy named Doug who hung himself in the attic. She got the address only shortly before we met. She didn't know anything about the case at all.
Apparently we did find Doug in an old newspaper article.
What is very interesting as well is, that, while my mother-in-law was in hospital for surgery she got talking to one of the nurses. At the beginning it was just general chit chat, the nurse asked about mum's family and what we were doing. Mum mentioned that we recently did a private case and also the street where it was. The nurse replied, that this was interesting, for her cousin/uncle used to live in that street and committed suicide by hanging himself in the attic. To the question what his name was, she said: "Doug."
Quite a big coincidence, if you ask me  ;) especially because it is only a small street.

The name Declan and Violet weren't picked up by the medium. Also not Judge Bernard. We got those names through glass divination. ( ;D also a thing for different opinions) I assure you, that glass divination is not one of our main practices. We rather rely on our common sense and our technical equipment. But we try to keep an open mind and try out new/old things now and then, in the hope of getting better results.



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« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 September 10 18:09 BST (UK) »
I compiled the Exeter Memories list of executions. It is not confined to certain cemeteries, but rather to all the known execution places around Exeter. Exeter was the place of execution for all of Devon's executed. The list is compiled from a mix of known executions researched by others and of all those listed in contemporary newspapers and broadsheets. I too am a complete sceptic. Incidentally, someone emailed me a broadsheet of a murder in Exminster in the 1830s - I checked to corroborate the murder and execution and could find no reference, other than the broadsheet. It would appear that it was a rip-off from another broadsheet about a murder elsewhere, and was printed merely for sales.
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Cornforth - Danby, Yorkshire, Durham
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