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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 September 10 18:12 BST (UK) »
I, too, am deeply sceptical.

Fascinated that these people from the past are communicating in modern English - "dad" a very 20th century word; "jail" was always "gaol"; "girlfriend" another modern term; "hung" - the word is 'hanged' and those in earlier times people would have known that - it's only recently we have got confused... there are many other anachronisms.

A little research might dig out some names, but that does not mean that someone else has done it before...

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 September 10 18:51 BST (UK) »
Yes I'd noticed the anachronisms too and the phrasing of many of the transcripts is very similar.  It'd be interesting to have a handwriting expert compare them, to see if the letter forms are in keeping with the supposed time they were written - I'm not sure how many people in those days would have been able to write to that standard.

Is that a line of enquiry you could pursue GPS Hella?  That really would add to the credibility if an expert felt they were written by different hands.

I find this all very interesting as an ancestor of mine was acquitted twice at Exeter - 9 years apart, once for larceny and and once for arson.  We're not trying to give you a hard time honest!  It's just us family history types love proof  ;)
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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 September 10 20:29 BST (UK) »
Yes I'd noticed the anachronisms too and the phrasing of many of the transcripts is very similar.  It'd be interesting to have a handwriting expert compare them, to see if the letter forms are in keeping with the supposed time they were written - I'm not sure how many people in those days would have been able to write to that standard.

Is that a line of enquiry you could pursue GPS Hella?  That really would add to the credibility if an expert felt they were written by different hands.

I find this all very interesting as an ancestor of mine was acquitted twice at Exeter - 9 years apart, once for larceny and and once for arson.  We're not trying to give you a hard time honest!  It's just us family history types love proof  ;)

I have to admit, although I am doing most of the research for our team, I am still a newbie in doing it. There are still a lot of things I have to learn about where to find what etc., especially because I only moved to England two years ago and, as you might have noticed, English is not my native language.

It would be definitely interesting to see if, and if yes, in which way the hand writings differ from the persons own writing.
I actually asked the medium (also thinking about the lack of education earlier centuries) what hapenned, when the person "on the other end" never learned to write. She said, that she would aid them then with her abilities, but the hand writing would always differ because of the personality of the person.  ??? Well, I am not a medium myself, so I guess I don't have to know and understand everything  ;)

I agree, that there are a lot of charlatans around in mediumship, but there are also some that really have the gift to either talk to spirits or see things that happened in the past.

If the anachronisms come from "translating" or because she made the whole thing up (what I don't think)... well, we might never know.

Please correct me, if I am wrong... didn't the name "dad" already exist in the 19th century? And the word jail was definitely in use then (thinking about an old newspaper article I read today).

I don't have any dates except for Jethro Talbut, so who knows when these people lived? (if they lived)

I will also have a deeper look into this forum, maybe I can find some more helpful links.

I found, that court and police records, especially the ones you can find on the internet, have gaps, people aren't mentioned and/or their names are being distorted by either lack of orthography or misunderstanding, often because the people that were send to prison couldn't write themselves.
The older the records, the worse it gets  ::)

Thank you for your thoughts and some interesting ideas,

GPS Hella



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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 September 10 23:54 BST (UK) »
Your English is good GPS Hella, I hadn't noticed you weren't a native speaker  :)  I wish you luck in your research and would be interested to hear what progress you make.

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 00:59 BST (UK) »
Hi GPS Hella  :)

Despite being a sceptic myself, I thought I'd try to help you find some of the names you're interested in, using the records I have access to  :)

First of all, I searched on the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but none of the names scored a hit - a couple of them did have matches but not anywhere near Exeter.  I don't know what their coverage of Devon is like, though...

Then I looked in Tasmanian convict records for anyone named Humphrey (given name or surname).  There are quite a few (more with the surname than with the given name), but none that I could see from the indexes who were convicted in Exeter.  The Tasmanian State Archives has a large collection of convict records online that you could go through:  http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

It might be an idea to contact the Devon Record Office to see what records they have of trials held in Exeter.

I do have to agree with the others, though, that finding the names in the historical records will not prove that your medium was talking to them  ;) :)

Good luck with your search  :)

Cheers
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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 05:39 BST (UK) »
I, too, am deeply sceptical.

Fascinated that these people from the past are communicating in modern English - "dad" a very 20th century word;

meles

According to the OED (20 vol.) the earliest recorded usage of the word ‘dad’ is:

“?a1500 Chester Pl. (Shaks. Soc.) I. 43 Cayme. I will..Speake with my dadde and mam also..Mamme and dadd, reste you well! [Of uncertain date: the MS. is only of 1592.]”


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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 06:20 BST (UK) »
Hello GPS

Likewise, if this helps:

“am Humphrey of Exeter. I like to annoy maids. I done a sin and got be dined for it.
Swung? Nay I got transt to Van Deemans Land. Got rid of life and got me to homeland again. So there!
I tell truth for now – there again – who know.
So all is like to like.”[/color]

Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser - January 17, 1811
Exeter Wednesday January 16th
General quarter sessions, Monday last.
Humphrey Caddy Perriman, apprentice to Messrs Carters, convicted of stealing 20s bank note, property of his masters and sentenced to transported 7 years.

Humphrey Caddy Perryman christened June 6, 1792 at Holy Trinity, Exeter, Devon, England. Parents Richard & Ann Perryman (IGI)

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 10:05 BST (UK) »
Ok, I will give it a last try.

First of all thank you for coming back to the subject and starting to be constructive.
I will check out the above links and see what I come up with.

The finding of Humphrey looks promising, it could be him, but I will see if I can find further information about his case, maybe the court record itself.

I also tried to find a list of judges of Exeter in the 19th century.

I have send an request to the Devon records office yesterday evening, so I am waiting if they come up with something.

I will keep you updated on the results.

Cheers,
GPS Hella

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Re: Findings of a psychic medium
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 10:09 BST (UK) »
GPS Hella.    I do hope you find the information you seek.   
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