Phoebe Lavinia Guest Birmingham

[Deb0na1r]

This is my first post so hope I am going about it the right way 
I have a birth certificate of a child born to my great uncle Charles Thomas Guest and Phoebe Lavinia Guest formerly Guest in Cromwell St Aston 1923. The only Phoebe Guest I can find is in Northfield, Birmingham on the 1901 census, father Alfred and sister married to a Nickless.
I ordered a marriage certificate for a Charles Thomas Guest and Phoebe Lavinia (Kings Norton 1919) but her surname is Wilkes, her father Wilkes although the witnesses are Nickless and fathers occupation same and groom's father's name correct.
Cannot trace any previous marriage and not sure if this is my Charles Thomas, Edgbaston address does not ring true to me but rest seems too coincidental.
If anyone has any information would be much appreciated 

[avm228]

Hi and welcome

It seems to me to be extremely likely that the "formerly GUEST" on the birth certificate is an error, and should read "formerly WILKES".

FreeBMD has two GUEST births with mother's maiden name WILKES in the Birmingham area - 1921 and 1928 respectively.  Given that the dates are as recent as they are (and there is a chance they are still living) I will not post their given names, but if you have a look for them you may be able to confirm them as known siblings of the 1923 child.

Meanwhile I will see if I can ask a moderator to move your thread to a more appropriate board, as this one is for disposing of unwanted certificates

Anna

[Arranroots]

Thanks Anna - topic moved!

 

[Deb0na1r]

Hi Anna,
wow that was quick!
Thanks for such a speedy response. I have seen the 2 records you refer to but what puzzles me is there is a1901 census record for a Phoebe Guest with her sister and husband, both Nickless on there (originally put as head then amended) and my certificate has Nickless witnesses. Nonetheless I cannot be sure that this is the same Charles Thomas as the birth cert I have shows his mothers address in Nechells. I did notice the marriage was at a Register Office and I wondered if this was unusual in those days and could indicate a second marriage.
Thanks for your kind help,
Debbie

[avm228]

Yes, I see what you mean Debbie.

There is the birth of Phoebe Lavinia GUEST Dec qtr 1899 King's Norton, who's of the right age to be the child in the mixed NICKLESS/GUEST household in 1901 (RG13/2808/92/22).

I wonder where the WILKES came into it - perhaps a stepfather's name? Will have a look.

Anna

[avm228]

Likely death of Alfred GUEST, the father of the 1 yr old Phoebe in the 1901 census:

Death, Mar qtr 1917

Alfred GUEST aged 62

Aston 6d 446

[avm228]

I ordered a marriage certificate for a Charles Thomas Guest and Phoebe Lavinia (Kings Norton 1919) but her surname is Wilkes, her father Wilkes although the witnesses are Nickless and fathers occupation same and groom's father's name correct.

What exactly is the full information given about Phoebe's father on the marriage certificate?

[Deb0na1r]

Thanks again Anna,

Alfred Wilkes (deceased) stoker at metal casting works -

Ties in with death record you have found. ( I have wondered if Wilkes an error)

Charles Thomas Guest's father  - Charles Guest (deceased) railway engine driver-

This agrees with records of my great grandfather who died in 1898 except all records show him as an engine fitter.

Charle Thomas is down as 25 yr old bachelor rubber (?) grinder 3 Back 10, Spring Vale, Bristol Rd, Edgbaston

Phoebe 21  yr old spinster, press hand at purse (?) makers, same address

Witnesses M & J Nickless.

Much appreciate you having searched records, did not expect such help 

Debbie

[brookie21]

I dont know of how much use this is, but i stumbled across this thread whilest looking for a different Nickless,

In my tree I have a Phoebe Lavina Guest born oct/nov/dec 1889 daughter of Alfred Guest and Rachael Evans.  She is the sister of Minnie Guest who married Frederick Nickless (who are my great grandparents)

that is where the Guest-Nickless tie comes from

Charly