Phoebe Lavinia Guest Birmingham

[Deb0na1r]

Hi Charly,

Thanks so much for your message, I think I have come across your tree before with a photo of Minnie.

What I am trying to find out is if the Charles Thomas Guest in your family is the same Charles Thomas Guest as my Great Uncle. I am pretty sure the marriage certificate I have is for your Great Grand Uncle in view of the Nickless witnesses. I can e-mail you a copy of the certificate it it helps with your research.

Would anyone in your family know anything about Charles Thomas that would help? Mine was born in Highgate, Birmingham and grew up in Aston.

My other confusion is that Phoebe Lavinia seems to have been born a Guest and married a Guest but used her mothers Maiden name on one of her childrens birth certificates.

Phew! This one makes my head spin!

Any information would be a great help, thanks for your interest,

Debbie

[brookie21]

Hi Debbie!

Did you see my tree on Ancestry?

Minnie and Frederick Nickless are my Great Grandparents, They adopted my grandad Donald Nickless when he was around 15 - i think, my grandad passed away over 10 years ago so all the information i do have is stuff my grandma can remember, which isnt very much.  My grandma tells me that Minnie was actually my grandads birth aunt, but we have no idea who his real mother is/was .  He was in contact with them at some point but he lost contact with his 'birth family' a long time ago. 

On Ancestry, Ive had contact with a cousin (i dont know how many times removed etc -you know what this tree hunting is like)  who is also a decendant of Minnie and Frederick (grandchild i think) and he has far more information than I do, he may be able to give you more information with regards to the Guest side - all the photos on ancestry are from his tree that crossed over to mine, if you go onto my ancestry you should find him

Ive got to admit I havent researched much of the Guest line, but I did see that a Guest married a Guest - apparently it was common practice for cousins to marry each other in that time,

and yes any information you have would also help me! Thanks

Good Luck with your search!

charly

[Deb0na1r]

Hi charly,

Yes it has all come back to me, we have had quite a chat on Ancestry before!

I am pretty sure that I have been in touch with the guy who posted the photos and he did not come up with anything but I do not seem to have the messages anymore.

I came to the conclusion a while ago that Charles Thomas married his cousin but didn't want to say it out loud in case it offended some relative! I was not aware that it was something not unusual in those days. Interestingly I have a copy of his mothers will and he came very poorly off compared to the others and I did wonder if he had gotten himself out of favour!

Thanks again and if you want a copy of the marriage certificate with your Great Grandparents as witnessess just message me your e-mail address to Ancestry and I will send as an attachment.

Debbie

[brookie21]

Many Thanks!

Its such a small world isnt it! I havent used ancestry for ages im only looking into my tree again as im using a 2 week trial on another site, so ill see if i can work out how to send a pm on here, That will help that side of the tree,

Yes it seems strange to us about marrying cousins as odd, but its to keep money in the family etc,( maybe for love you never know! )
 Ive found with the guests/nickless's its all very confusing ! there is another site ive been using familysearch.org that i found on a thread that helped me track down alot of folks who lived in smaller villages but when it came to everyone moving to Birmingham had no joy with it, as it was all parish based.

good luck with it all and stay in touch and let me know how your search goes! 

Charly x