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Inn licensee Lookup
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 08:10 BST (UK) »
Is it possible to check on the licensee of Inns and Public houses?

 There is a chance that Edward Cameron and his wife Elizabeth may have been the licensee of the Church Style/Stile Inn in Gosforth at some time between 1800 and 1830.
   Elizabeth's maiden name was Bell and the Bell family may also have been Licensee in that period.
   If records exist, I would like to know the license periods for Bell and Cameron, between 1800 and 1830.
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Ireland: Taylor, Clark, Doyle, Pollock,Boyle
England: Toogood, Long, Ford, Lander, King, Dye,Copeman, Heness, Gardner, Robertson, Cameron, Sherwen, Bell 
Scotland: Campbell, McNaughtan, McKellar

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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 September 10 14:14 BST (UK) »
if you go to historicaldirectories.org and search by location, 12 directories come up for Cumberland but only 1 is in your timezone - 1828. Click on "directory" and put gosforth in search box.The only pub seems to be the Kings Arms but Edward Cameron is listed but not his occupation. You could look later but I couldn't see anything.
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Cumberland: Graham and Greenop
Yorkshire: Altass
Scottish Isles: McLean

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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 September 10 23:51 BST (UK) »
bobgraham
       Thank you Bob for the link to the directories. I have found the reference to Edward Cameron that you mention. I am beginning to think that possibly Church Style was a cluster of houses, near St Mary Church, which contained a pub. Maybe the pub wasn't called Church Style.
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Ireland: Taylor, Clark, Doyle, Pollock,Boyle
England: Toogood, Long, Ford, Lander, King, Dye,Copeman, Heness, Gardner, Robertson, Cameron, Sherwen, Bell 
Scotland: Campbell, McNaughtan, McKellar

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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 September 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
in one of the later directories, Church Style is mentioned as an address but I forget the full circumstances.
bob
Cumberland: Graham and Greenop
Yorkshire: Altass
Scottish Isles: McLean


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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 September 10 10:34 BST (UK) »
I've found Church Stile as a pub :)

Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

Search Gosforth ... select the one in Cumberland.

Change the coordinates to 307100 503500 and click "Go"

Select the 1895 1:2500 map and you will see it :)

Select the 1899 1:2500 map and you won't!  A school has been built there opposite the lane to the Hall.

The same thing can be seen less clearly on the 1:10,560 maps.

Just to confuse you, the house on the corner (a short distance to the west) is now called Kirk Stile :D
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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 September 10 11:27 BST (UK) »
Geoff-E
            Thank you Geoff for the link and the directions how to find it. I see what you mean about a school replacing it, but there can be no doubt that there was a Public House called Church Style in 1865 and again in 1895.
 Edward Cameron gave Church Style as his residence at the baptism of his children from 1817 until 1827 and again at the buriel of his wife in 1829, or at least the cleric gave it. It is looking very much as if he could have been the Publican.
  His spouse Elizabeth was a Bell and there is a buriel for an Edward Bell in 1802, which also says 'of Church Style' .  I have this as being her grandfather
with her father being Peter Bell.
   This was the thrust of my original quest, to try and find if the Bell family had been the owner/licensee and it possibly then passed on to the Cameron family.
   I had hoped that there may have been a record for licensees.
 Thank you Geoff that was an excellent effort to find a map showing Church Style as a public house.
Wyanga
Ireland: Taylor, Clark, Doyle, Pollock,Boyle
England: Toogood, Long, Ford, Lander, King, Dye,Copeman, Heness, Gardner, Robertson, Cameron, Sherwen, Bell 
Scotland: Campbell, McNaughtan, McKellar

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Re: Inn licensee Lookup
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 21:18 BST (UK) »
The Kirk Style Inn was next to the school, just across from the Church but not quite in the same position as the present Kirk Style.  It was a very unpopular with the local clergy as drunkness was unwelcome. It was bought by the church, closed as a public house and used as a residence for the headmaster.  It was pulled down and a new house built for the Headmaster to celebrate Queen Victoria's Jubilee.

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 September 10 21:54 BST (UK) »
Farmerswife,
  Thank you for the update on the present Kirk Style. I can imagine that the church and local public house may have had differences, could have been quite rowdy.
   You speak with the authority of local knowledge, do you live at or near Gosforth?
Wyanga
Ireland: Taylor, Clark, Doyle, Pollock,Boyle
England: Toogood, Long, Ford, Lander, King, Dye,Copeman, Heness, Gardner, Robertson, Cameron, Sherwen, Bell 
Scotland: Campbell, McNaughtan, McKellar