Ancestors from Thurnham, between Glasson Dock and Cockerham.

[PENCAN]

Hello tortiegirl,
 Sorry, but you see I'm a silver surfer and don't have much idea what to do most of the time!! Could you please advise how I go about giving you the info you need, thanks.

[clayton bradley]

Peter born 1775 was a twin. His twin, Betty Jolleys of Bankhouse had a natural child as the vicar put it, in 1793 and she called him Peter after her twin. Then she got married so she left little Peter with his grandparents, Joshua and Sarah. Sounds as though maybe I should go back to thinking it an area rather than a house then, thanks claytonbradley

[tortiegirl]

Hi claytonbradley - thanks for that. Do you know which Peter married Mary Shaw? Having two Peters now makes it awkward to link up which one was on the Dalton estate jury (see my previous info) but I can always put a question mark against that info which is what I do when I'm not sure which person it refers to.
Just had a search to clarify Bank House - there are TWO Bank Houses in Cockerham - one is described as Lower Bank House, Cockerham Sands and is right on the shore, one in the Abbey lands - both I presume are farmhouses so I don't know which one is yours. I suspect it is the one nearest to the Abbey which is owned by a good friend of mine - she is currently renovationg it and has discovered a little window from the Abbey in what was once an outside wall which still has the iron bar stumps on it that held the glass panes in. Bankhouses are a collection of cottages nearby - not to be confused with Bank End which is further down again!

[tortiegirl]

Pencan - don't worry - I'm going to try to copy and paste the info on here. My  headings are as follows: Last name, first name, date of birth, where born, spouse, lived at, occupation, died, age at death, where buried, additional comments including info source (one, LRO, is Lancashire Records Office). I don't have all this info for everyone so there will be data missing. Here goes...
HOGTON Ann-b.Thurnham-lived at Thurnham Hall ? 2nd dau of William H Esq dec'd, source-lease and release doc-LRO?
HOGTON Jane (nee Haresnape)-married Richard Hogton.
HOGTON John-lived in Thurnham, source-Survey of Thurnham 1653.
HOGTON Sandra-lived in Thurnham, source-¼ sessions petition 1661 relief-LRO.
HOUGHTON Ann-b.1859 in Thurnham, Elizabeth b.1863 - both lived at Kendal Hill Farm,scholars in 1871,source- census-both g'd-daughters of Ann b.1805.
HOUGHTON Elizabeth A-b.1878 in Thurnham, lived at 3, Ten Row, Glasson, source-1881 census-niece of Roger b 1852.
HOUGHTON Isabella-b.1914, d. 21/07/1921 age 7-   buried Glasson C of E.
HOUGHTON James-b.1817 in Thurnham,   lived at Kendal Hill cottage as   Ret. Labourer,d.21/09/1884 age 67, buried Glasson C of E, Son of Margaret Houghton, source- Census 1881, Mannex 1881 trade directory.
More to follow-have run out of room on here!   
               

[tortiegirl]

HOUGHTON James-b.1857 in Ashton (nearby), lived at Kendal Hill cott, source-census 1871-g'd-son of Mgt b 1784.
HOUGHTON James-b.1822 in Glasson Dock, married Alice, lived at West View no.4, Thurnham, Dock labourer, source-census 1881. Gnd’father of James.
HOUGHTON John-b.1815, married Betty, lived at Conder Green (nearby), d.17/02/1871 age 56, buried Glasson C of E.
HOUGHTON John, b.1843, lived on Moss Lane Thurnham (as I do) as a fisherman, d. 28/11/1884, age 68, buried RC Church, Thurnham Hall, source-census 1851.
HOUGHTON Joshua-b.1807 in Scotforth Lancaster, married Jennet Holding, lived on Moss Lane then Kendal Hill cottage as a Dock labourer, d.   11/5/1880 age 73, buried St Michaels Cockerham or St Mary's Lancaster, sources-Census 1851,71. Had son James- GenForum. Married 1834.

[tortiegirl]

HOUGHTON Margaret-b.1784 in Lancaster? Lived on Moss Lane/ Kendal Hill cottage, garden and barn (once James Harrison’s house?), sources-Cottage description doc of Dalton's in1868, census 1851,61,71-wife of John ?, Probate record-left £20 by William Abbott, gentleman-24/2/1821- LRO.
HOUGHTON Margaret-b.1834, lived on Moss Lane as a house servant, source-census 1851-dau of John and Mgt?
HOUGHTON Robert-b.1823, lived on Moss Lane as a Blacksmith, d.11/06/1862 age 39, buried Glasson C of E, source-census 1851-son of John and Mgt ?
PHEW!!!
HOGTON William, lived in Thurnham, d.1712, source-Archdeaconry of Richmond Wills.
Hope this is useful to you. Any feedback, corrections, mysteries etc gratefully received.

[clayton bradley]

You have the right Peter Jolleys marrying Mary Shaw.The one born in 1793 left the area with his uncle John Jolleys to find a job in the Blackburn area and married there, then moved to Cheshire, where he died. He has a gravestone at North Rode in Cheshire. Thanks for the extra information on Bank House. I belong to the Catholic Family History Society and we had a very interesting talk some years ago about Cockersand Abbey with lots of slides including one of a tree bent sideways because the wind was so fierce. I think the speaker was called Brian Marshall and I have the book I bought then "Cockersand Abbey Lancashire", bye claytonbradley

[tortiegirl]

Re- Jolleys - I was tootling around on the internet and found two more on St John Bapt reg in Pilling. Agnes Jolley married William Madder in 1705; Joshua Jolley married Mary Dawson 1705. Any relations as Pilling is not too far from here?

[clayton bradley]

I have those listed but haven't tied them up yet. The trouble is that Joshua Jolleys at Bank House was the son of William Jolleys and Mary Carter (Thomas 1740, Joshua 1743 William 1745 John 1753 Mary 1762) and it seems that William was  born 1717 illegitimate son of Jane Jolleys. There was a Joshua Jolly who had a daughter Agnes bap at Pilling 1684, so she could be the one who married in 1705. The only birth for a Jane I've found is Jannet Jolis dau William in 1674 at Cockerham which seems a bit early. I have a copy of the will of Thomas Jollyes of Pilling 1729 if anyone wants any information from that, thanks for your help, claytonbradley