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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 09 September 10 05:26 BST (UK) »
John Hugh BAWDEN aged 28 and SINGLE ??? father Henry Bawden
Married  15/6/1882 at the BC Parsonage Port Augusta Book 131 page 1188
Mary HENERY aged 21 and single father  James  Henery

This marriage says he was single and not a widower but  the ages and father’s name do match.
So it is an ssumption on my part that it is the same man

Children born to John Hugh BAWDEN and Mary Henry/Henery
May Evelyn 9/9/1882 at Port Augusta 290/277
John Henry 27/7/1884 at Port Augusta 333/128
Cornelius 27/5/1886 at Port Augusta 376/20
Myrtle Nellie 5/6/1888 at Glanville 418/118
Hilda 6/10/1891 at Glanville 488/5
Ivy Lavinia 1/7/1898 at Portland Ward 625/312
Lyly 4/5/1902 at Tin Town 694/352

Jenn

Thanks again Jenn.

I just looked on the NLA Newspapers and found that Cornelius was known as Neil and died during World War I (1918), on the 'in memoriam' record for 1919 for Neil,  May is mentioned as a May Collins, brother John is Jack, there are two sisters Lyle (wonder if this should be Lyly) and a Rene (that's a new one), there is Hilda and Millie (maybe Myrtle was known as Millie).

The only one I can't reconcile is Ivy - could she have been informally known as Rene?

Anyway, all very intriguing and a ***huge*** thank you to you.
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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #37 on: Monday 13 September 10 14:09 BST (UK) »
I am new to RootsChat, and only today discovered this "conversation" about the Penhalls and Bawdens.  I am not really sure how the system works and hope this message (my first) is appropriate and posted correctly.

I am a descendant of Henry Paul Penhall and Eliza nee Church.  My great-grandparents were Jane Ann Bennicke Penhall and John Hugh Bawden - my grandfather was their son.  I have researched the Penhall and Bawden families for a number of years and can answer most of the queries which have been posted.

Do I assume that the people who have posted these messages are researching these families too?  I would be happy to share information

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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #38 on: Monday 13 September 10 20:16 BST (UK) »
Hello Jas1. 

Welcome in!  Are you descended from Henry Bawden born in 1875?  He looked to be the only child of Jane and John Bawden.

My connection with the family is through Eliza Penhall (nee Church's) youngest sister Martha Church, who married Herbert Rider Robert Green.  Martha had 4 sons and 1 daughter - she named her daughter Eliza Ann Bennicke Green.

The Bennicke name came through many generations from the Cornish roots didn't it?

Martha emigrated to Adelaide in 1889 with her family.  Her daughter was born in Adelaide but the sons all in Guernsey, Channel Islands.

Would love to know more about the Penhalls and Church's and if there is any information I can help you with, would be pleased too.

I found that Eliza Penhall's brother James Church moved to Guernsey and lived there with his cousins' the Lanyon's.  So I have Census data on him.  Also Agatha before moving to Adelaide lived in Guernsey for a while as well.

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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #39 on: Monday 13 September 10 23:39 BST (UK) »
Do I assume that the people who have posted these messages are researching these families too? 


Hi JAS1,
No, The contributors on this thread will probably not be related to your family unless they have specificallly mentioned it.

Rootschat  is an open forum where members simply try to help others in their family searches. Many are very experienced and some amazingly well resourced to offer leads and concrete information.

Good luck! :D

Sue 
 
 
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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 00:20 BST (UK) »
I am glad my message was correctly posted, and it is good to make contact.  I only came across this site yesterday by accident, and it was both exciting and frustrating to see all the queries and responses knowing that I knew many of the answers.

Yes, my grandfather was Henry Bawden, the son of John Hugh Bawden and Jane Ann Bennicke Penhall.  There was at least one other son who died as an infant, but my grandfather was the only one to survive.  He was only three when his mother died and was brought up by his Bawden grandparents.  As your correspondents discovered,  John Bawden remarried and had a number of children, including Cornelius (Neil) who died in the first war.  My grandfather moved to Victoria for work  in the 1890's and married there, so nearly all his descendants live in Victoria.  To a very large extent, the Bawden name from his line seems to have died out; similarly, I am not sure how many Penhalls from this line also still carry the name.

I have the impression that Grandpa might have lost contact with the Penhall family, and I assume that the Penhalls initiated the re-interment of poor Jane Ann (known as Annie) at West Terrace.  I knew very little about this family when I started and I still have no personal contact with any descendants, and it has only been in recent years that I tracked down the Penhall graves at West Terrace and also discovered Agatha Church's connection.

I have been communicating with a researcher in the UK and have discovered something of the Penhall-Church-Bennicke connection, but it is early days yet.  I wondered if other members of the Church family had come to Australia, other than Agatha.

I would be delighted to share my findings with you and vice versa.  How do we do this?  Where to from here?

Sue: I am still very uncertain about how Rootschat works.  I assume that one can contribute to any discussion, and also add messages after the initial conversation is finished?  I am sure these are dumb questions, but is there a listing of "old" discussions on this site, and will new contributions get to the person who initiated them?  How does one initiate a new discussion?


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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 00:54 BST (UK) »
JAS1

We should be able to Personally Message each other to exchange information, known as (PM).  Just look up my profile and you will see that you can send me a message (as we can't put email addresses here on this site)

I am happy to exchange any information that I have.
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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 01:31 BST (UK) »
Sorry to be thick - I looked up your profile but couldn't find how to send a personal message!  Any clues for the uninitiated?

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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 01:48 BST (UK) »
I have sent a personal message (hopefully)!  Will get back to you later.  We have a lot to talk about.

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Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 04:24 BST (UK) »
Sorry to be thick - I looked up your profile but couldn't find how to send a personal message!  Any clues for the uninitiated?

see theittle green scroll to the left of the message and under your name/avatar  thats for sending messages, it will also indicate if the person is online or offline


to start a new topic  just go to the board you want to us ieAustralia and click New topic and go from there


I have no connections to the Penhall family just a fellow researcher of family history be it yours or mine. 

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