Migration from Dorset to Newfoundland and Canada

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Many thanks JJ and Jennifer. Regarding this company of volunteers, were they a regular British Army Unit? If so then the officers should be in the Army Lists for that time. Thanks in anticipation.

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Of course the royal regiment of artillery was a regular  British army regiment, but as I said I am not sure if he was Captain as part of the regiment or a volunteer, and either way, would he be listed.? perhaps they can answer the question for you here:
http://www.hmforces.co.uk/Join_The_Forces/articles/138-the-royal-regiment-of-artillery

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Will try that link thanks JJ and report back here.

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As he was born before 1780, I think it is a reasonable assumption that 1) He had died 2) The family shown in the 1836 Lion's Den census is the same one.

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Do you have a Henry Luffman/Loughman in your records?  I stumbled on one today in the Harbour Grace records, and I remembered your post. 

See http://nl.canadagenweb.org/cbhg_hg_burials_1860.htm - Harbour Grace Anglican burials, Henry Loughman, buried March 26, 1863, age 80 years, which puts you back to 1783. 

If you then look at the marriage records, he is presumably the Henry Luffman who married Ann Narocot in 1807, and they had a bunch of children baptized in the baptism records as Loffman, Loftman, Luffman, Luftman, and possibly even Luffnel. 

Jennifer.

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Do you also have the census- 1794-1795 Harbor & District of St. John's where there is a John (Jn) occupying a dwelling in the location "from The Engine House to the Kings Beach " occ. boatkeeper / Roman Catholic
He says he has been in NFLD 14 years....Says he is single, but there  is one male child with him as well as 2 servants.
( So this census says he came from ? to NFLD c. 1781 if this is the same man, and so birth may have been 1760s or earlier) )
http://ngb.chebucto.org/C1794/1794-div-4-sje.shtml

I guess a marriage was never found for the younger John occ. planter in the Lions Den - 1836 census ?...Sad that Henry found by amazon  didn't say who his parents were either. ( Might he have been that young boy?)

Nice to see they are all listed here...am wondering if the "John" in the census was one of Henry's & Anne's using a middle name...If there were enough Henry about to confuse?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~downeast/7KI.htm

The name Eglantine is unusual,  ...a type of rose... "Sweetbriar or Eglantine Rose, ROSA EGLANTERIA, native to Europe and western Asia"

Lohmann, Louhman, Loman

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Hi,

Sadly, marriage records in Newfoundland very rarely give the parents names.  It would sure be a lot easier if they did. 

I'm not very familiar with the St. John's records, most of my research is in the Harbour Grace area.  Looking at the 1794 census, two things stand out. 

First, John is Roman Catholic.  This makes me wonder if he is actually any relation to Henry Luffman/Loughman in Harbour Grace, since Henry is Anglican.  By the time Henry married, there was toleration of Roman Catholics, and a functioning RC parish in Harbour Grace, so he would not have been forced to marry in the established church unless he converted of his own volition.  Also, Roman Catholics in Newfoundland were almost always Irish.    Are the Loughman's you are researching in Devon Catholic?

The other thing is that the census doesn't explicitly state that the male child is his.  As this appears to be a household census, the male child could belong to one of the servants.  I wonder is it possible to find out more about Mary Macdonald?  Looking over the census, she seemed to have a lot of property and people looking after that property or renting from her. 

John Loughman, boatkeeper of St. John's sounds to me like an Irish servant hired by Mary Macdonald to look after her boats and stores over the winter.  Might be a different instance of the name than Henry of Hr. Grace. 

Of course, John Loughman might still have married and left descendants.  However I would expect he would have done so at the Roman Catholic Basilica.  In those days, it was still a Cathedral and confusingly both the RC and Anglican Cathedrals were both in honour of St. John the Baptist.  I can't find any on-line records for the Basilica.  It's possible they are not in the provincial archives - their collection of RC records is less complete than other denominations.  You could try contacting the diocese archives directly - they have an excellent archivist who may be able to help.  http://www.stjohnsarchdiocese.nf.ca/archives.asp

I'll try to remember to take a look the next time I go to the Provincial Archives, but as I don't get there very often it might be a while.

Re the 1836 census, the only Lion’s Den I can find is on Fogo Island, a long way from St. John’s or Harbour Grace.  Not to say that one of John or Henry’s descendants couldn’t have moved there. I had a quick look in the on line Fogo records, you could dig around there a bit more, you might turn something up.  Sadly, the really old records for Fogo were probably at Twillingate and almost all the Anglican records were lost in a fire.

Jennifer

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Addendum - I looked up Boat Keeper in the Newfoundland Dictionary.  Here's what it says - Boatkeeper:  Man who operates inshore fishing craft; by-boat keeper.  Under by-boat keeper, there is the following reference from the Anspach 1819 History of Newfoundland - "...bye-boat-keepers, who were supplied by the merchants to whom they sold the produce of their voyage.  These by-boat-keepers kept also a certain number of servants; and, in process of time, became resident planters." 

A by-boat is defined as "a fishing craft...owned and used in the inshore cod-fishery by men migrating annually as passengers to Newfoundland, the craft being left on the island on their return to the West Country of England".

So, John Loughman of St. John's was probably a by boat keeper with a couple of people working for him, supplied by Mary Macdonald. He may or may not have been resident year round in Newfoundland at that time.

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Many thanks indeed for all this further information. I think that if he was a Catholic then it is unlikely given the fact that Luffman's were injured in the shameful Harbor Grace affair of the early 1880s when Orange men attacked Catholics and shots were exchanged. The injured Luffman was recorded as a Protestant. However, there is I suppose always the possibility for error and that John Loughman was in fact a protestant working with a Catholic, the statement about boats being kept over winter for people who returned to the West Country of England may be significant.
Since I lasted posted on here I have found an instance of a spelling of the surname as Loughman, this was in the mid 18th century in Gillingham Dorset, the marriage of a Joan Loughman, her baptism and that of all her siblings the surname is recorded as Luffman, so I am sure she is one of mine. Over the years there have been many (fiercely resisted) attempts to spell my surname Loughman, many people insisting that was the correct version.
I have 2 Henrys viz: Henry Luffman d14 Apr 1879 Harbor Grace, and Henry Loughman d25 March 1863 Harbor Grace.
Again thanks for your help.