Kyrkes at Gwersyllt

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Many thanks wilcoxon, same man

Henry gets quite a few mentions. The Kyrke bit of his name makes him easy to spot!

I didn't mention in my previous email but this Henry named a son Arnold. That is a traditional name in the Kyrke ancestors of Richard KIRK (abt 1746-1839) of Gwersyllt. In addition, the Kyrke-Smith family of Henry was brought up in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. This is where the Roe family had a copper smelter.

Henry's father Edward SMITH died between the 1851 and 1861 census. A passing thought was that father Edward had died before the son was born (there are 3 Liverpool deaths for Edward SMITHs in Q2/3 1851) and the Kyrke family helped support widow Sarah SMITH and family, so the newborn son was named accordingly. I haven't found any hard evidence to support this idea. My pockets aren't deep enough to order all the Edward SMITH death certificates going. I haven't found a burial for Edward recorded in the National Burial Index.

At the time of the 1841 and 1851 census, I find Edward SMITH and family in Liverpool but no Kyrke or Roe neighbours.

Hmmm...

[wilcoxon]

When was Edward Smith  born , what was his last occupation, was he ever a flour dealer. 
There  may be something in the news.

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Charles Roe SMITH  did he have anything to do with Bangor , Caernarvon, what was his occupation. When  was  he born and died .

There is mention of both of these names  in the same article

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Henry's father, Edward was born (according to 1851 census return) at Corfe Castle, Dorset. According to IGI, Edward was born 4 Feb 1809, christened 20 June 1809 (info from Wareham Prebyterian).  I can't read Edwards's occupation on the 1841 census looking more closely, it's brewer. In the 1851 census and Henry's birth certificate (took six weeks to come from Liverpool!), Edward was a brewer.

It just occurs to me (doh!), Edward registered Henry's birth so the idea of grateful support from the Kyrke family in times of bereavement goes out of the window.

[wilcoxon]

Could this be Edward

Liverpool Mercury Friday, May 29, 1857
Death May 27th aged 48 Mr Edward Smith late of the Islington Brewery , Devon Street.

Looks like the Charles Roe Smith is unconnected then, just a coincidence .

[wilcoxon]

Liverpool Mercury  Friday, November 18, 1853

There is an advert looking for  " some healthy active boys of good character to be apprenticed as colliers to a coal proprieter in one of the best parts of Yorkshire. "
Adress for application is Edward Smith , Islington Brewery.

I wonder if he had any connection to the coal mines.

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Thanks wilcoxon

Edward and family lived in Islington, Liverpool

I have checked Trade Directories but not found an Islington Brewery. I have also failed to find this Edward SMITH in these directories. I have also looked for a link betweem Edward and  Yorkshire but not found one.

All the same, it looks like the advertisement was placed by the same Edward.

[mineraite]

Hi, I was always told that the Kyrke family from Nant y Ffrith donated the ground (fact) for Bwlchgwyn Church to be built on and they also paid for the building (no proof) Their daughter Dora's was the first wedding to take place in the new church-Tom

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Could this be Edward

Liverpool Mercury Friday, May 29, 1857
Death May 27th aged 48 Mr Edward Smith late of the Islington Brewery , Devon Street.

Looks like the Charles Roe Smith is unconnected then, just a coincidence .

Hi again wilcoxon. Thank you very much for your searching the newspapers. This has got to be the man -well found!

Please would you explain why Edward's death in 1857 rules out Charles Roe SMITH as Edward's father...

My reasoning was that the 1851 census has Edward (brewer) born at Corfe Castle, Dorset aged 41 years. This fits neatly with the birth and chistening mentioned before, which is the link to Charles Roe SMITH.

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

...Their daughter Dora's was the first wedding to take place in the new church-Tom

Thanks mineraite - thats a nice story to have attached to Dora. It's details like this that make family history an interesting pastime!