Kyrkes at Gwersyllt

[wilcoxon]

Did this Rev  Richard  Kyrke marry Priscilla Catherine Billinge ,  fourth daughter of the late Mr Henry Billinge.
Marriage took place on 1st May 1851 at Trinity Church Liverpool.
The  newspaper has no mention of his father.

A death report   .
March 19th 1897, Rev Richard Kyrke rector of  ?? Brocklebey Lincolshire

http://www.broughton-history.co.uk/page29.html
 `Inheritance`, quite a bit on the Kyrke family in here that may help.

Also in here.
http://chris-myers.co.uk/broughton-community.html

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

Welcome to RootsChat, Ivan

Thank you for the information on the father of Rev Richard Kyrke. That's another piece in place, I think; the only George who fits the bill is George KYRKE b 12 Nov 1780, chr 12 Dec 1780, died Q2 1859. He married Rachel Harriott ROE, granddaughter, I think, of the famous entrepreneur Charles ROE (1715-1781) 27 July 1815 at St Anne's, Everton, Liverpool.

The above George was a brother of James KYRKE (1778-1857), the two of them at Glascoed at the time of the 1851 census. Both of them were born in the Wrexham area, not sure where exactly.

I agree, there was a Richard KYRKE and a Richard Venables KYRKE born about the same time (1820) in the same area, likely to have been cousins. I suspect Richard Venables KYRKE (abt 1821-1899) was the son of Richard Venables KYRKE (1792-1868); the latter being a younger brother of George and James (a total of 12 siblings in all -see my first posting in this thread).

Wilcoxon - You are right, Rev Richard KYRKE (abt 1820-1897) did marry Priscilla Catherine BILLINGE at Holy Trinity, Liverpool, 1 May 1851.

I have accumulated quite a lot of information on the ancestry of the brothers James George and Richard Venables KYRKE.

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

I spotted these in the Dissenters Graveyard MI`s. It`s on Rhosddu Road, Wrexham.
All on same stone. Spelling variations are as they are written in book.

George Lowe Venables of Broughton in Bromfield  died October 4 1776 aged 43
Mary Kirk inf d/o Richard and Ellen Kirk of Broughton died October 8 1782
Ellen Kyrke nee Venables died April 8 1827 aged 84 w/o Richard Kirk
Richard Kyrke of Gwersyllt Hill died April 13 1839 aged 92.

Hi Wilcoxon, some more help if you are able, please...

The GRO index has Richard KIRK's death registered in the September quarter of 1839 and Chris Myers, from a book by John Bagshaw called Broughton Then and Now has Richard's death as September 13. Chris has kindly offered to take a look at the headstone.

Do you have any information from the transcription that might help him find the headstone in the graveyard?

[wilcoxon]

It`s not  a large graveyard, and the stones  are either laid flat about 3 or 4 deep and side by side or propped up around the wall, some at the top end have fallen on to the inscribed side face down.
I would take a brush and a scraper as many of the old ones are covered by moss, and there are leaves lying on others.

The book only has Grave reference numbers and page numbers, I don`t know if they are entered in sequence as to where they stood.

 

[smarlow57]

I spotted these in the Dissenters Graveyard MI`s. It`s on Rhosddu Road, Wrexham.
All on same stone. Spelling variations are as they are written in book.

George Lowe Venables of Broughton in Bromfield  died October 4 1776 aged 43
Mary Kirk inf d/o Richard and Ellen Kirk of Broughton died October 8 1782
Ellen Kyrke nee Venables died April 8 1827 aged 84 w/o Richard Kirk
Richard Kyrke of Gwersyllt Hill died April 13 1839 aged 92.

Is it possible to get a picture of this stone?

Susan

[Adnepos_Iacobi]

A very nice chap spent an hour looking at the stones in the Cemetery on Easter Monday. A lot were so badly weathered they could no longer be read. He didn't find this stone, so maybe it's one of those that is illegible.
So in short, no photo.

I am persuaded that Richard died in September and not April (see previous message).

[wilcoxon]

http://www.chris-myers.co.uk/villages-and-places-around-wrexham.html
It seems  it is one of those laid flat

Kirk was the father of five sons and several daughters,only one of whom used the same spelling of his surname.All the others used the spelling Kyrke.The one exception his infant daughter Mary whose early death is recorded on a gravestone,now used as paving,at the Dissenter's Cemetary at Rhosddu

[interalia]

Can I join the KYRKE party?

I've no personal connection but it's a family I've been interested in for some years, along with ironmaster John Wilkinson + coal/iron + railways/canals in and around the general Brymbo district. I'd (slowly!) pieced together something of a Kyrke family tree over the years, but some was guesswork and there were certainly gaps. Then I came across the fascinating info and background here which has helped to fill in a bit more.

Adnepos, in an earlier post you mentioned Richard's son James (d. 1857, brother of George and Richard V) but no knowledge of a marriage. He did marry, but maybe you'd found this since? In case not, his wife was Betty Walker who d. in 1819 at Ffrith Lodge. She was the daughter of John & Betty Walker -- this is noted in her will of the same year, where her father is quoted as "late of Stone Bridge in the Township of Blacon cum Crabhall in the County of Chester Gentleman deceased".

Her will/admon wasn't proved till 1834: it's online at the NLW. A John Venables was one of 3 witnesses noted as "Clerks to Mr Barker, Chester."

I don't know when James and Betty married or where (Chester area?), and it would be interesting to find; but the will also indicates they had no children -- or rather, it seems none living at the time of her death. I've wondered if they were indeed childless or if there are records somewhere pointing to children who may have d. in infancy.

I've assumed after Betty died James remained a widower as enumerated in the 1851C, but there's a gap of some 30 yrs when I guess he could have remarried and lost a second wife, but found no reference to anything so far.

[interalia]

A few snippets from here and there -- sorry if you already have them.

Had you come across this for Richard Venables Kyrke Jnr?
1835
Richard Venables Kyrke, son of R. V. Kyrke, Esq., of Summer Hill, Wrexham, 13 June 11.
[From the register of Rugby School, available at Google Books
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OLYHAAAAQAAJ and see p183]

Palmer's "History of the Older Nonconformity of Wrexham and its Neighbourhood" (1888):
There was one important member of the congregation during the later years of Mr Boult's ministry and the earlier years of Mr Browne's, who because he was not connected with any of the trusts just recited, nor belonged to the inner circle of church membership, has not hitherto been mentioned. This was Mr Richard Kirk, of Bryn Mali, afterwards of Gwersyllt Hill who was concerned, more, perhaps, than any man of his time, in the developement [sic] of the mineral resources of this district. All his children were baptised in the Presbyterian chapel, and thirteen members of his family including his wife (Mrs Ellen Kirk died April 8, 1827, aged 82) lie buried in the Rhosddu Road Graveyard. He settled in the neighbourhood a little before 1775, coming from Chapel-en-le-Frith, in Derbyshire, having recently married Miss Ellen Venables.[35] Mr Richard Kirk was the father of Messrs. James, George, and Richard Kyrke, deceased (note the changed spelling of the name in the second generation!) the grandfather of the present Mr. Richard Venables Kyrke, J.P., of Pen-y-wern, and the great grandfather of Mr. Richard H. Venables Kyrke, of Nant-y-ffrith. Towards the end of his life he left the Presbyterian chapel and joined the communion of the Church of England. He died April 13, 1839, aged 92.
Footnote 35:
Mr. (James) Venables was charged in the rate books for Cae Hick in the township of Broughton-in-Bromfield as early as 1770. He died October, 1786, aged 84, and both he and George Lowe Venables, of Broughton (his son?), who died October 10, 1776, aged 43, are buried in the Dissenters' Graveyard.
See http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofolderno00palm#page/87/mode/1up

From the "Encyclopaedia of Wrexham" by W Alister Williams, 2001:
Queen Square
The name Queen Square was given to a small development located between Queen Street and Birmingham Hall on the site which was later occupied by the Vegetable Market. It was the last surviving market square in the town and specialised in the sale of calico and table linen. It was entered from Queen Street 'through a pair of iron gates and under a covered entrance. We then reach an open square, surrounded on two sides [probably on three sides originally], with a covered gallery supported by pillars. In this gallery were shops, and beneath them, on the ground floor, were also shops'. The Square appears to have been built by Richard Kyrke of Gwersyllt Hill towards the end of the 18th century. It was bought by the Borough Council in 1898 and was eventually redeveloped (along with Birmingham Hall) into the Vegetable Market. Today the site is occupied by the BHS store on Queen Street. This is not to be confused with the present-day Queen's Square.

A very nice chap spent an hour looking at the stones in the Cemetery on Easter Monday. A lot were so badly weathered they could no longer be read. He didn't find this stone, so maybe it's one of those that is illegible.

http://www.chris-myers.co.uk/villages-and-places-around-wrexham.html
It seems  it is one of those laid flat

Yes, a few years ago I went to the Dissenters' Burial Ground to search for it, but no luck either. Sorry, if I'd come across the thread earlier I would have mentioned it. To modern eyes the site is really quite small (for a cemetery) but in former times would have been considered large and adequate.

It's thought to have first been laid out in the 1650s. When the council took it over about 50 yrs ago, stones were moved and the site cleared and it was given over to a memorial park. I've no idea where now, but somewhere in the past I came across a photo of the cemetery taken when Lloyd George's wife unveiled the memorial to Morgan Llwyd in 1912, and it was bursting with stones and memorials. Palmer, the Wrexham historian, claimed that 'thousands lie within it'. A number of notables were buried there, including William Wilkinson, brother of John the ironmaster of Bersham and Brymbo.

In 1826 James Kyrke was appointed (presumably by the Chancery Court) the receiver of JW's estate. This was some 18 years into the long-running dispute over JW's will which eventually ate up all his (JW's) fortune. The whole estate had to be sold off.
At the time of the sale the area of the estate was about 900 acres, together with the corn-mill known as Felin Puleston ....
James Kyrke purchased the estate; he was the son of Richard Kirk of Gwersyllt Hill. James lived in the hall and his name is mentioned in the register of Wrexham Parish Church as having served as churchwarden in 1810-11. At a later date, James moved from Brymbo Hall to Glascoed Hall in the Ffrith.
Source: "Lost Houses in and around Wrexham" (section for Brymbo Hall), Raymond Lowe, 2002