AMOS sisters - MARY GAFFIGAN, ANNIE McKEE and ISABELLA CAMPBELL

[jj.carroll]

I struck out with all varients that I could think of for Thomas.  Then I ran John's Gaffigan father, then McGeoch.  I got one hit. John   McGeoch   1858   —   John   Paisley   Renfrewshire   
View transcript.  The problem is that I can't remember the password, or even the address that I gave them - so I can't get to the "transcript."

For Thomas I can't tell you anything, having attempted to try it here.

I will try McGeoch and marriage.

Jim

[jj.carroll]

I tried it a number of ways, but without the transcript, I am unable to lock it down.

McGeogh   John   —   —   1854                Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages   -  Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

this was a marriage.

Another, this time the spelling is correct:
McGeoch   John   —   —   1855                 Scotland Marriages 1561-1910   Wigtownshire, Scotland

However, the event was blank, and we don't know if that is the birth we have been working with.

But, this is followed up with birth records of:

McGeoch   John       1856   —   1856                  Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950   Wigtownshire, Scotland

However, this was strangly accompanied with the following:

McGeoch   John        1856   —   1856                   Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950   Wigtownshire,

[jj.carroll]

I have finally located the document that laid out the Gaffigans, in an 1861 census. It is listed as 597/13/16, page 16 of 45, ScotlandsPeoples.

It is barely visable, but it shows that Patrick was the father of the family unit, and his occupation was given as a "carter."   He was 39 years old and was living at that time in in Kilmarnock, Ayershire.  His wife is listed as being 28 at that time, but her name is barely visible, and her name is nearly blanked out.  The two boys are barely visible in this document, but they are given as 5 years old and from Larnakshire, and John is is two years old from Renfrewshire - Paisley. 

This might put to rest McGeoch, but we still need to complete this search.  Patrick is a mystery; Mary does not look as though this notation is correct.  The boys, while they are Gaffigans at this time nothing was found that is isted for the prior five years.  We shall keep on looking. 

[jj.carroll]

Well, I have been chasing the goose and have come up empty. 

This time I attempted to locate the two sisters, Anne and Isabella but have struck out in every iteration that I could think of.  When using the Amos (maiden name) and looking at marriages from 1849 on (and neither of them could have been around during the 1841 census, but checked it off), I looked at the marriage documents and they did not tell me anything. 

So, I guess I will have to put this on a shelf and attempt some other way in the future.  It is apparent that the Gaffigans had it wrong and the father was not a horse trader - but a carter. 

Any suggestions, anyone?

[Rosinish]

My suggestion for now would be to look back at the index entries you posted on Reply #46 & check the actual docs on scotlandspeople as the indexes you quoted won't give any details which will be on the original doc & not accessible anywhere else other than SP.

Annie

[Rosinish]

What I've found in particular with Irish names such as McGeogh the 'gh' is pronounced as 'ff' e.g. McGeoff then coupled with an Irish accent the 'geo' sounds like 'ga' so McGoff/McGaff.
I have also noted some Irish names had a suffix such as your McGaff(y)(igan).
My 2 x g g/mother was a Cullen (in Scotland) but I've seen a suffix Cullenin for her surname.

Another name I've seen in other variants is Torbett, Tarbut, Turbert

I was helping a friend who has Gafney/McGough & Turbert in their tree all from Ireland

Annie

[jj.carroll]

  Thank you!

In the limited time left for me  and getting back to these boards, it sure helps to have a "cheering" section.  And one that will make some suggestions  that might help us all.  Reply 46 was the product of JAP and although he/she may not be on the board now, it is with pleasure that I now have the wherewithall to check out his work for whatever possibilities there may be.

I really don't think that it will accomplish anything, but to leave it hanging with some of the suggestions that you have given us.

Again, thank you.

[jj.carroll]

Well I went into the different spellings (and with some substituting for Irish brogue) as was suggested, looked at the documentation, and I must say that the Gaffigans might have missed some census, or been very lightly documented, they are "certifiable" as such.  On the marriages I looked for the Amos and came up empty as the spouses go.  I even went for different Goffigans, and so with John and Patrick.  So, unless someone has a better suggestion I will keep this as a job done as complete as possible.   

[hallmark]

Did you try     G*ff*   ??