Dr BLACK, Collins Street Melbourne

[Kiwisue]

So if she was born in 1883  and married in 1906 somehwere in those years she came to Australia and lived with a Dr. Black who  died  when??? and left her property/house? in Collins Street in Melbourne  that was sold in  the 1930's

Jenn

I have the birth of Olive Mary Te Akau Hickson as 7th January 1883 and her marriage as 19th July 1906 to  John George Herbert Hankins and her death in 1956 if this is of any help and her daughter Ruth was born in 1914 unsure of the birth dates of her other children Brian, John & Noeline

[Kiwisue]

A few more snippets:
According to notices in the digitised newspaper site (using search for Black St Kilda Cintra):

• The son-in-law Herbert MEYER was from Canterbury NZ (marriage 1861)
  The marriage of Jane Irwin BLACK (1862) to Francis John ALDERSON took place in Dunedin.
  Son William was with the National Bank of Australasia in 1878
  Thmas' wife died 2 February 1874 (no first name given)

It could well be that he is not the right Dr Black.  The connections to New Zealand may be only a co-incidence.  Perhaps the Dr Black's practice was in Collins St and he lived elsewhere??

Judith

I have Thomas Blacks wife as Charlotte Leatham born 1800 Ireland and died 1874 in Melbourne if this helps

[Kiwisue]

Yes I noticed that Merlin...    However she would be quite elderly as Dr Thomas BLACK's children were born commencing 1833...and I have attemtped to trace them but haven't posted my findings...thought it was too much info    Could be a grand daughter of Thomas  I suppose I am just trying to validate what information we have been given.  Family stories are often distorted with the telling.

Cheers
Cando

I have attached what I have on the Black Family if this helps

[Kiwisue]

Well done Cando.....

I found it hard to conceive the possibility of her coming to Australia when  her mother had a large number of children younger than Olive at home all boys  the other older girl having died young.  At least one son died in WW1  and another did in Africa in 1900 perhaps in one of the so called Boer Wars. 

Family folktales do have an element of truth but also fiction  involved.

A possible scenario is  that the Miss Black she trained under perhaps had wealthy connections in Australia and as social climbing was prolific she may have grabbed on to her coat-tails so to speak.

Like Cando I could not find her coming or going to Australia and if CAndo who has obviously spent a long time on  this hasn't found it either it leads me to doubt the story in its entirety


Jenn

I have attached a list of her family Louisa Cooks father was a Captain so possibly may have assisted with the travel if she did travel but with such a big family am sure she would have been required at home

[Kiwisue]

Dear Both, Tropical first, Thanks for the link re: Louise. I am left quite saddened by that and will now want to search her last resting place. Thanks also Cando, Yes, I've looked at the links but no I haven't downloaded the Will for Thomas Black. Suffice to say,I know Olive Mary did go to Melbourne and as a consequence found her gifts with music and children. Thank you both.
Just to say that what I have found so far about my Great Aunt was her full name was Florence Louisa Hickson- she died 14/06/1891.
I have no idea what from or why and I'd really like to know where she is laid to rest. As Olive Mary was 8 years old when her sister died, she'd be fully aware of all the emotion etc. I surmise that this may be why she had her interest in the welfare of children re: Plunkett and Sir Truby King.

Florence Louisa Hickson is buried at Bolton Street Cemetery in Wellington - Record no 97143 in the Church of England Section - I found it on this link http://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/details?id=97143&serviceType=Burial&previousPage=%2fservices%2fcommunity-and-culture%2fcemeteries%2fcemeteries-search%2fresults%3fserviceType%3dAll%26firstNames%3dflorence%26lastName%3dhickson%26fromDate%3d01%252f01%252f1840%26toDate%3d24%252f08%252f2014%26cemetery%3dAll

[Kiwisue]

Maybe you should ask me specific questions if I can help. Here's a start - Charles Frederick and Hugh Leatham Black were married to the two Hickson sisters in a double wedding in 1855 in Auckland. The Hicksons family are a 'Fencible' family - there is plenty on the web re the Fencibles.  The Fencibles were retired soldiers who were recruited to come to NZ to defend Auckland from the Maori in the early days. Captain John Annesley Hickson was in charge of a troops coming to NZ in 1848. He had a large family and was the father of the two sisters (Mary Louisa and Frances Elizabeth). His wife was Elizabeth Pleasant (nee) Williams.
What I found interesting is that Elizabeth and Dr Black's wife Charlotte were actually cousins.  All of them came from what is now Northern Ireland. In those days there was a very small 'pool' of suitable people for these middle class families to marry into - so not surprising that these four were married.
Miss Florence Black was a music teacher of some renown - she was the daughter of Hugh and Mary, never married. Here is an article about her: If you google Wanganui Music Socieity you will probably find it with a photo.


Black, Miss F. E., Teacher of the Piano and Singing and the Theory of Music, “The Oaks,” River Bank, Wanganui. Miss Black was born in Melbourne at the residence of her grandfather, Dr. Thomas Black, of “Cintra,” St. Kilda, and accompanied her parents to Auckland while still an infant. She was a pupil of Mr. J. H. Beale while in Auckland, and subsequently in Wellington of Mr. J. A. Edwards, who was at one time conductor and choirmaster of All Saints' Church, St. Kilda, Melbourne, which was reputed to have the best choir in the Australian colonies. Miss Black was pianist to the Choral Society of Wellington, of which Mr. Elwards was conductor. Miss Black studied singing and voice-production under Signor Carmini Morley, and subsequently returned to Auckland, where she was a pupil of Mr. Angelo Forrest, one of the best pianists in the Colony. For ten years Miss Black taught music in the Girls' High School in Wellington, Mr. Parker and herself being the first teachers appointed to give musical instruction in that school. During her residence in Wellington, Miss Black taught at St. Mary's Convent for four or five years. While resident in Auckland she taught at the Girls' High School. She has resided in Wanganui since 1893, and during the year 1894 was one of the teachers at the Boys' Collegiate School. Sh is one of the appointed teachers on the staff of the Girls' College. Miss Black has been very successful in training pupils for the Trinity College examination, and has a large connection.

I was very kindly sent a huge quantity of material from a lady in NZ who has researched the Hickson family tree also.

Fun to find out we are related!

HI Captain John Annesley Hickson and Elizabeth Pleasant Williams were my great great great graandparents - through their son Charles Alfred St John Hickson and his daughter Cora Hickson could you please let me know the connection of the cousins Elizabeth & Charlotte - Many Thanks Sue

[cando]

I haven't the time this evening to read this thread from a few years ago other than to say I do recall finding quite a bit more about Dr BLACK and the eventual sale of the building in Collins Street. 

Black, Miss F. E., Teacher of the Piano and Singing and the Theory of Music, “The Oaks,” River Bank, Wanganui. Miss Black was born in Melbourne at the residence of her grandfather, Dr. Thomas Black, of “Cintra,” St. Kilda, and accompanied her parents to Auckland while still an infant.

Birth in Victoria -
BLACK Florence Elizabeth
Father Hugh Leathem BLACK   Mother Mary HICKSON
At Collingwood  1857  Reg#291

Cando

[tropicalj]

A blast from  the  past  I remember this thread quite well  even though  it was  4 years ago  A lot of work  went into researching  this...  Cando did so much on  it.

Hopefully  the further information  that  KiwiSue has added will  help further but I do  see that Glammis has not been on Rootschat since last year.


Jenn

[cando]

Black, Miss F. E., Teacher of the Piano and Singing and the Theory of Music, “The Oaks,” River Bank, Wanganui. Miss Black was born in Melbourne at the residence of her grandfather, Dr. Thomas Black, of “Cintra,” St. Kilda,

Florence was born 1 Jan 1857 at 1 Fitzroy Terrace, Eastern Hill  and birth registered Collingwood by Thomas BLACK, Occupier, 1 Fitzroy Terrace, Eastern Hill.    She could not have been born at Cintra as at that time was owned and occupied by Mr J G FOXTON.

Cando